On this week's episode, Patty the nurse can go to HELL. Shoutout to all our listeners who are ready for Spooky Season! If you have any ideas on what Colleen should be for Halloween this year, please let us know. Then we get into the topic of the week... THE MURDERS OF NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON AND RON GOLDMAN AND THE TRIAL OF OJ SIMPSON. Good LORD was this a rabbit hole. Bridget covers the timeline leading up to the fateful night of June 12th, 1994, the aftermath, the famous white bronco car chase (the slowest of all time) and the trial of the century. If you want to hear about one of the most famous and frustrating cases of all time, you've come to the right place! You know what they say, "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit." We then leave you with a game of "Things Colleen Doesn't Understand" and two positive stories of the week. I feel like this goes without saying, but please don't eat any blankets after listening to this episode... or cremations!
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On this week's episode, Patty the nurse can go to HELL. Shoutout to all our listeners who are ready for Spooky Season! If you have any ideas on what Colleen should be for Halloween this year, please let us know. Then we get into the topic of the week... THE MURDERS OF NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON AND RON GOLDMAN AND THE TRIAL OF OJ SIMPSON. Good LORD was this a rabbit hole. Bridget covers the timeline leading up to the fateful night of June 12th, 1994, the aftermath, the famous white bronco car chase (the slowest of all time) and the trial of the century. If you want to hear about one of the most famous and frustrating cases of all time, you've come to the right place! You know what they say, "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit." We then leave you with a game of "Things Colleen Doesn't Understand" and two positive stories of the week. I feel like this goes without saying, but please don't eat any blankets after listening to this episode... or cremations!
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And I'll be fine. You wouldn't know because, uh, it's the Jonas Brothers. And Nick Jonas sang that song when he was diagnosed with diabetes and the world thought he was gonna die. And how does the song go? A little bit longer. And I'll be fine. Also really enjoyed, uh, the commentary while I went pee the other day. Oh, did you listen? Your solo goddamn commentary about whether the people like me or not. Rude. On video, I think I was looking at the camera being like, do you guys, do you guys like her? How's that going? And honestly, it's really like, even for that five minutes, it must be so hard to do a one woman show. It's exhausting. Yeah. It's a hard no for me. I would never do this podcast alone. That seems... It's like torture for everyone. Honestly. Fair. I would listen if you had a one woman show. You would have to be so funny. It's just not. It's not a thing. It's not for us. No. Anyway. Hi everybody. Hey. Welcome to this week's episode of Sippin with the Shannons. We're cousins and each week we sit down, we sip on some wine, we talk some shit, and we have a good giggle. I am Bridget Shannon. I'm Colleen Shannon. How you doing? Good. I saw you only a few days ago, so I like don't have much to tell you. Pumpkin Spice is back on at Starbucks, and I can't stop thinking about it. It's August. I don't care. What the fuck? It's spooky season. It's too soon. It's spooky season! No, Pumpkin Cream cold brew is back and therefore I'm alive again. I'm happy for you. Mm hmm. That's all. Countdown to Halloween begins now I suppose. Oh, where does that start? Is the countdown to Halloween like an after Labor Day? Almost the way that some people do after Thanksgiving for Christmas or just year round Oh, okay. Yeah. We're supportive of a year round Halloween countdown? I'm just ready. I don't know what I'm going to be yet. You crushed it last year. I know. Megan from Bridesmaids was brilliant. So good. I was thinking maybe, and you guys can let me know your thoughts, you know in a Cinderella story Jennifer Coolidge when she has the, the tanning sunglasses on? I kind of want to do that. Say less. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see, guys. I 100% agree. I don't know. Weren't you going to be Moira at one point, too? I was Moira at work. Oh, you were Moira at work. Okay. I only have like one photo of it, though, but it was good. All right. Well, keep us posted on your options. Okay. I put everything back in the Amazon box and send it back after I wore it, so. And that's about that. How is your new apartment? It's okay. It's good. Coming along? It is, slowly but surely, I just want it all done now. And I don't like it. Until then, I'll be at will. What's all done? Like, I need my mirrors up. I need it to be clean. I need everything to be organized. And I need to know where exactly everything is. Got it. So like a month from now. Maybe. Hopefully. Talk to me then. We'll circle back on that. Um,, I need to tell you about my experience this morning at the doctor. You went to the doctor! No, so it was a, it was like a wellness screening for my health insurance so I can go to the doctor. Got it. Okay, step one. Yeah, so it was like, it was only like 10 minutes. They take blood or whatever. and I went this morning, 9am, I go on in and my girl, Patty, was taking care of me. And she did the whole like height, weight thing or whatever. But as we go to step up on the scale, I said, Listen, Patty. I haven't stepped on this shit in years and I don't want to know, I don't want to know what's behind these doors. So can you just like not say it out loud? Like don't let me see it. I'm not gonna look. And she was like, Oh my god, absolutely. Like, honey, it's just a number. It doesn't matter. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, Oh no, no, no. Oh, no, it was fine. But so I'm just like, whatever. I'm not looking like we sit down and then we start just to like do the whole blood taking thing. And She's trying to distract me which like I don't need her to like I'm fine with silence and like that shit doesn't bother me So I actually would prefer if she would just like shut the fuck up, but whatever She was telling me her whole life story about she went to Atlantic City like Patti I don't give a fuck and then she's like, you know, I recently lost a lot of weight and I was like Oh, that's great. Good for you. And she was like, yeah, I lost 37 pounds since December like in December. I was your weight I was like, she's not like Patti. Patti was not skinny So that's what hurt the most. Oh, Patty, no. And she's like, yeah, 37 pounds ago, I was where you are. And I was like, fuck. I'll just go fuck myself. No, and honestly, it would be fine if this woman was like, toned and tiny. And she was literally not, not tiny. Like, respectfully, she wasn't. And she was like an older one. That's so mean. I know, I was like, uh huh, good for you, Patty. Maybe, maybe she thought you guys were like, buds. I don't know, but it just really, I don't. Like, she gets it. I don't need that fucking negativity in my life, okay? No. No, absolutely not. That's unacceptable. Fuck her and her 37 pounds. And then she's like, have a great day, and I was like, yeah, you too, Patti. I hope that she stubs her toe and people cut her off in traffic without even a little wave or a blinker. I feel like she didn't even know what she was doing, but in my head I'm like, wait a minute. Miss Girl. No, that's rude. Yeah. You wench. Like, the one time I was buying a bridesmaid's dress and one of my friends thought she would be pregnant by the time of the wedding. She was like, okay, well if I get pregnant now, it's eight months from now, like, there's a chance I'll be seven or eight months pregnant. And as I'm checking out, the girl points to my friend, who plans on being pregnant, and is like, oh, that's her dress size. And I was just like, and the whole pregnancy conversation happened with her. Yeah. So it wasn't like she didn't know. She was like, Oh, you also look eight months pregnant and wear the same dress size as her. Ugh. Rude. I can't stand these people. Keep your fucking comments to yourself, bitches. She's wide. Okay. Let her mind her business. Let her live her life. Yeah. That's how I started my day. I got in the car and I was like, Yay. And off to work, brother. Now, for my day. Another one bites the dust. I went to the dentist. And my dentist has a TV on the ceiling, so that when you're laying down and they're doing their thing and cleaning your teeth, you can watch television. And Deal or No Deal was on. What a wild show. Yeah. And Howie Mandel is such a ham and he's like getting the call from the person with the black screen and he's like, what does the banker say? Like it's so drawn out and so dramatic. I heard he's a germaphobe. Oh really? An intense, intense germaphobe. Like he doesn't shake hands with anybody on the show. Interesting. I don't know if that's true or not, but I heard that through the grapevine. Okay, this is gonna sound ridiculous. I doubt it. If you have shaken a hand and then got sick, like really, really deathly ill, I get it. You would probably have a fear of it. To just fear germs in general and walk through life like you're constantly gonna die if you shake someone's hand is crazy to me. Yeah, like, look where you are now. You've lived this long. That feels odd. And I know people who are germaphobic. I don't know. It's like, if the worst thing that's gonna happen is the common cold. Is it that big of a deal? Agreed. But anyway, deal or no deal. So this woman has all of her sorority sisters there. She's got her cousins. Woman has, like, the whole squad. One woman wearing a big, big ol belt. Oh, I hate that. Right around her stomach. Yeah. I hate belts. I was a big belt girl, so I get it. But also, get a grip. And... She, it comes down to either 1, 000 or 200, 000 in the, the thing before that she was offered like 22, 000, then 27K, then 35K, then 40K, then 45K, then 60K, then 70K. They offer 100, 000 and she goes for it and left with 1, 000 in her suitcase. Now mind you, when they offered her a 45K, she was like, that's way more than my salary. At what point when someone offers you 100, 000, do you go, but I could have two? You could also have one! My god. One thousand. Just like, take what you have and leave. So, it was so funny though, I love my dentist, Ellen. She's the absolute best, she always comes in and she's like, alright, where are we off to next? And, she was doing my teeth and we were done, and she was like, do you want to stay and watch it? I was like, no, I should probably go. Like, I don't need to see the ending. But your dentist offers that to you. She called me. She did? She was Bridget, you're not gonna believe this, she went for it and lost. She called me on the ride home. I feel like that's a phone call. Ellen, Ellen, a real ally. Pop off Dr. Helen. Ellen. Ellen. Ellen. She's the best. And, yeah, so the woman went home with a thousand dollars and I was just watching the show like, this is such, like, Meghan Markle held a suitcase. What? What? Weird times we're living in. Weird times. I guess she just said, like, I was just trying to pay my bills, which, I totally get that. Her bills are paid. They are now. By the royal family! Not any more! And that's on excommunication! Uh, yeah, for real. Ugh, I'm excited for today's topic. I did tell you what it is. I know, but I'm not informed that well about it. Gang. You were so excited, I just wanted to let you have it. Gang, when I decided to do this, and I, I took a dive, and I, It is the most research I've ever done on anything, please don't come for me. there's so much, and every time, I was just saying to Colleen, every time I try to listen to like, a podcast that summarized it, or anything, it was like, here is a 16 part series, and so here we go. It's true crime, and it's a crime that you might have heard of. I mean, a hundred percent. And it's the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, a. k. a. OJ Simpson, in his trial. Woo! Buckle up, brothers. My good fucking lord. There is so much more to this story than just murder, unfortunately. if that weren't bad enough. To properly set the scene, I need to tell you a few things about OJ. To be completely honest with you, I would prefer not to. I hate cases where they focus too much attention on the murderer and not the victims. The only reason why I'm doing this is because it paints a picture that I think is key to telling the whole story. Correct. Okay? Oh, also, if you dislike when a story is being told and someone picks a side or doesn't tell a story unbiased. Seek alternate routes. Maybe this is the episode you skip. See you next week, brother. Because I'm picking a side. Spoiler alert. Okay, here we go. So O. J. Simpson grew up in San Fran, California to a mother named Eunice who is a hospital administrator and a father, Jimmy Lee, who worked at the Federal Reserve Bank. I saw somewhere he was also a custodian. He was also known in the area for being a drag queen. And, yeah, isn't that surprising to you? Interesting! I was stuck on the Eunice! Jonas! From She's the Man. Uh, he later, when he gets older, comes out as gay and leaves OJ's mom. What happened? And he, later in life, died of AIDS. But, so OJ grows up with a single mom. He also was a kid who developed rickets. Rickets is a thing that kids get when they don't have enough calcium, so they have weakened or softened bones. So he had to wear little leg stints, and he had to wear, like, braces. Don't feel bad for him. I feel bad for the five year old. I don't feel bad for him. He wore, like, leg braces until he was five, and it gave him this, like, bow legged stance. Okay. I'm just thinking of any child and, like, leg stints. Yeah. Oh, my God. No. Seriously, though, like a little baby with little leg stints. Also like newborn babies who have to wear helmets. Kill me. They're the cutest fucking thing because their heads aren't shaped. Yes. Oh, so they grew up really poor. They were in the projects of San Francisco. He joins a gang as a teenager. He gets arrested a bunch of times. He joins the high school football team and. He, at one point, it's a long story, but he meets Willie Mays, which is a famous baseball player, a black baseball player. And Willie Mays basically tells him to like clean his act up. Is that not the cleaning guy from the commercials? Oh my god, no, the ShamWow? Yeah, him. Billy Mays. Billy Mays? I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Willie Mays is like one of the most famous baseball players of all time. But sure, Colleen. Proceed. Same. He also did ShamWow on the side. Uh. Questions at the end. I'm sorry. Yeah. This conversation with Willie Mays helps him clean up his act, he joins the football team like I said, he ends up graduating, he's incredible at football. His grades sucked though, so no recruiters were paying attention to him, uh, so he goes to a city college and he absolutely dominates. Like, he's just blowing people out of the water. Okay. Now that recruiters are taking a look at him, he transfers he goes to the University of Southern California, aka USC, and he has this incredible career. He wins all the awards, including the Heisman, which is the most prestigious award a college football player can get. Uh, he won a ton of championships. He's a two time All American. He gets drafted. He's the number one draft pick to the Buffalo Bills. He asked for the highest paid contract in NFL history, which at the time was 000. This is like an insane amount of money for the time. The bills didn't want to pay him. He gets in this like standoff with the owner of the bills and he was also acting at the time and he was like, if you don't pay me, I'm just going to quit and become an actor. Oh. Because California. I didn't even know he was like a football guy. OJ Simpson? Yeah. Like I didn't know what he was famous for. Oh yeah. That's what I meant when I said I don't really know. Yeah. Oh, well you're about to. Okay. So they pay him. They're like, sure. So they give him that, contract and it's a really big deal, obviously, he's unstoppable on the fields, he's a hero in the black community, he has this amazing career, he breaks all the records, and he really becomes this like beacon of hope for Americans who are from the same background as him. This poor kid from the project who wore friggin leg braces and now is the highest paid NFL player of all time. Everyone wanted to be him, looked up to him, they called him the Juice because his initials are OJ obviously but it's also something people called like energy, electricity, you know, like juice it up or whatever. He had tons of electricity or energy. I heard one report he ran through men on the field like they were cardboard cutouts. Oh, uh huh. He's just, and he's also a big guy. He is not a small man. The Bill's offensive line had the nickname The Electric Company. Because he was on it. He plays 11 seasons of football, then retires. After that, he's a film and TV actor. He's a sports broadcaster. He's in this, like, infamous commercial for Hertz, the car company. And he's, like, running through a terminal at an airport. He does, of course, an orange juice campaign. That's funny. He's just like a legend. Like, he is, I wouldn't say the Tom Brady of our time, but kind of. Like, he's the guy. However, he's also a fucking monster. Uh, he married his childhood sweetheart. He would have three kids with her. I saw somewhere that when they were talking to her about him growing up and what he was like, she was like, yeah, he was a really bad person at that time. Who says that about a teenager? The fuck? And also it's that's his childhood sweetheart. That's the woman he would marry. So imagine how much of a shithead he was. Interesting. No, he was going through a lot, obviously, but shithead from the jump. Uh, he has three kids with her. He meets Nicole Brown in 1977 while she was working as a waitress in a nightclub called The Daisy. It's this private club in Beverly Hills. She's Eighteen years old. Woof. He's still married when they meet, and he apparently said to his friends like, I'm gonna marry her one day. I'm pretty sure his wife is very pregnant at this time. He and his wife divorce. Him and Nicole were to have an affair, and he marries her in 1985, five years after he retires from football. You with me so far? Yes, I am. They had two children, and it lasted seven years, and it gets... Ugly. Uh, trigger warning. This is where shit hits the fan. They fought terribly. He beat the ever loving shit out of her. There is truly no other way to put it. Over the course of their relationship, the police had been there at least nine times for domestic disturbance. OJ was found guilty of spousal abuse and pleaded no contest. When you plead no contest, you're basically saying, agree to disagree. Like, I, I accept the guilt, but I do not admit said guilt. However, Nicole Brown drops the charges after her parents allegedly encouraged her to reconcile with OJ as OJ provided her father Louis with the opportunity to invest in a lucrative Hertz car rental facility at the Ritz Carlton in California, which was financially beneficial for the Brown family. Obviously we cannot judge here because I'm sure they were living a much better life with his support and they obviously didn't know how this would end. However, hindsight is a tough one on this one. For sure. There are just too many examples of how horrible he was to her, so I'm, I'm just not going to go into it. But just know. All of her friends, everyone knew, like everyone knew, even the cops knew how bad it was. Nicole finally files for divorce in 1992 under irreconcilable differences. They did try again after they were divorced. It did not end well. He ends up cheating on her and he had been cheating on her with the same woman for over a year. And in October of 1993, Nicole Brown calls the police. And you can listen to this. I, I personally don't recommend it. I couldn't even get through it. She is so fucking scared for her life. And the cops show up and she says, He gets a very look in him. All his veins pop out. His eyes are black. They're just black. I mean cold, like an animal. I mean very, very weird. And when I see it, it just scares me. The cops did nothing. Naturally. Shortly after this, she moves out of that house that they shared together and she gets her own place. They both lived in Brentwood, California. It's a very nice, fancy, rich neighborhood. They're about two miles away from each other. It's like six minute drive. Meanwhile, this seems off topic, but it's actually super important. The beating of Rodney King happened. So, Rodney King was a black man who, at 12. 45am on March 3rd, 1991, is caught speeding on the freeway. He's drunk and he refuses to pull over. So, he's in the car with two other guys. They finally get him in a pullover. The police are like, get out, lay on the ground, you know, doing the whole thing. The two friends do that. Rodney is slower on the uptake and instead he gets on his hands and knees. Now, unbeknownst to everyone, there's this guy, he's just a civilian, his name is George Holliday, and he has a new video camera and he happens to be on a balcony above all of this and focuses that they don't know that. They tase Rodney King, after he's tased he tries to get up and run, they beat the shit out of him. Uh, Now, I know some of you are saying, like, he's resisting arrest. To that I say, if you can put Ted Bundy away without harming a hair on your head, then I think you can do the same with someone who's been drinking and driving. Think of the amount of people we know who have DUIs, how many of them have been beaten to a pulp? None. Right. And so, and we're subduing him. When they tased him, he was subdued. He was like trying to get up and hobbling and then when he's down, they continue to beat him. He doesn't move. They stop and then they continue to beat him. An ambulance is called. He is rushed to the hospital. He was struck as many as 56 times with batons. He suffered a fractured leg, multiple facial fractures, numerous bruises and contusions. Unaware that there's a video, the officers downplay the level of violence and say that he suffered only cuts and bruises of a minor nature, which, no he didn't. George Holliday sold this to a local TV station and they sold it to CNN. It's put on blast. It is like, it, people are furious. Furious. Naturally. The cops all get put on leave. They do eventually go to trial, all four of them. And all four are acquitted. And I can't really do this time justice and explain it. Other than comparing it. The only thing I can compare it to is what happened with George Floyd. I was gonna say. But of like 1991 and He lived. Ronny King lived. But that, I mean, not that that matters, but it's ugly. The acquittal set off what's now known as the L. A. riots. People were outraged. We're talking looting, fires, arson, assault, murder. It grew into the most destructive U. S. civil disturbance of the 21st century. They put all that in the Shredder Compton? They do. So you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I do. Oh my God, I love this for you. Only Oh, bless. My point in telling you all of this is to not get political. It's to point out the fact that black people felt like justice wasn't served. And that is important in this story. That's fair. There's also no trust in the LAPD at the time. And I'm not making the, making this up. They were known to be corrupt. They were known to plant shit on people. They were known for beating people relentlessly, putting people away with no or very little evidence. Were they all like that? No. But they were just too many bad apples and very little trust. So there is some context going into what we're about to talk about, which somehow gets worse. So, great. Can't wait for the game at the end. Uh, so, fast forward, it's 1994. Ron Goldman is 25 years old and he's a friend of Nicole's. He is a waiter at a restaurant called Mezzaluna. OJ and Nicole go to Mezzaluna all the time. It's actually the place where she told him she didn't want to see him anymore. Uh, it's kind of like their spot. It's our John Brewer's, if you will. R. I. P. R. I. P. Nicole and Ron become fast friends. He's like her confidant. A lot of people have alluded to the fact that they were sleeping together. There is absolutely nothing to prove that it was anything other than platonic. Some people even have accounts that he might have been gay. Oh, he, he told none of his friends if they were dating, none of Nicole friends, Nicole's friends, or Ron's friends knew they were dating is, which seems pretty suss. Mm-hmm. they would know at least her friends girls talk. Right. And the guys were like, he told us everything there. He told us every time he went. Or talk to a female. There's just no way he wouldn't tell us he wasn't dating Nicole Brown Simpson on the side. He, unfortunately, gets lost in the story a lot, which makes me really sad because they were both innocent and he was just truly in the wrong place at the wrong time and he's just less well known. Yep, that's annoying. So, Nicole Brown, she's 35 years old, on June 12th, 1994. One of their kids has a recital, O. J.'s there, and then afterwards, without O. J., Nicole Brown goes to dinner with her family and her friend Ron, who works at Mezzaluna as a waiter, and so that happens around 6. 30 p. m. Everything's fine at dinner, then her and Ron go back to Nicole's condo in Brentwood, and Nicole's sister calls and is like, Mom left her glasses at the restaurant. So Ron, lovely of him to go pick them up at the restaurant a few minutes away, he puts them in an envelope and he goes back to Nicole's. There is a super detailed timeline from the trial, so we actually know the timeline of what happens next, so let's walk through it. At 30, OJ and his friend named Kato Callen, who comes up again, are at McDonald's eating Big Macs and fries. Fair. It's a weird thing to eat pre murder, but sure. I'm gonna think about that every time I eat them. At 9. 48, Ron picks up the glasses from the restaurant. At 10. 15pm, the barks and cries from Nicole's dog are heard by a neighbor. At 10. 25pm, Alan Park, a limo driver, arrives at OJ's house to take him to the airport. He was supposed to be on a red night that night from LA to Chicago. At 10. 40pm, OJ's friend Kato, who we went to McDonald's with, Kato Callen, is in OJ's guest house on the property, and he hears three loud thumps on the side of the house. Alan Park is still buzzing at the front at 1040, so now he's been there almost 24 minutes. And while he's buzzing, he sees someone, a shadowy figure, who's about 6 feet tall and 200 pounds, climb over the wall, cross the front yard, and walk away. Through the front door at 11 p. m. OJ answers and says sorry overslept was in the shower Magically, he comes out he gets in the limo. He won't let the he won't let Alan Park take his bag He's holding a black bag. He won't let him take it. So he's like, okay, so they get into the car He drives him to the airport and OJ at 11 45 p. m. Is on his American Airlines flight to Chicago 12 10 a. m So right after midnight, Nicole's dog, a white Akita named Kato, has paws covered in blood, and is barking non stop. The neighbors come out, and the dog, Kato, leads the neighbors to the front of Nicole's condo, because he didn't even do it inside, he did it like right in the front, and that is where they find the mutilated bodies of Nicole and Ron. They were stabbed to death right outside of her townhouse. The kids are inside the house, and are unharmed. He didn't touch them. I mean, I would hope so. The smallest of silver linings. Uh, the crime scene photos are the most horrific, and if you just Google, like I wasn't trying to, I don't like that, I don't want to look at that. If you just Google this and you hit images, it just, I, if you ever want to sleep again, I don't recommend Police arrive at the scene, they lock it down, and they call the homicide unit, right? So at the murder scene. This is what we got. Blood. Fucking. Everywhere. It looks like a river. It looks like, it, it looks like someone was drained. Like I hate, I know that's so graphic, but that's what it looks like. And in some ways they were. You know what I was thinking about today? What? Let's just relate to this. How much blood is actually in your body is fucking crazy. Yeah. When I was getting blood taken today, that's why I was thinking of it. I think you have five liters of blood. And it's just that little tube and they did it in two seconds and I'm like, wait, that's so much blood though. If you really think about it. Yeah, it's crazy. That's all. So I could only imagine what would be within the front steps. Yes. So blood everywhere, bloody shoe prints from a man who wears a size 12, a knit hat and a bloody glove. Just one though, not the other. So first impression, they get to the scene, they immediately are like, overkill. This was a rage killing. You can look up their wounds without looking at the pictures. I will not go into it. It was, he's a fucking monster. Like, he's an animal. They believed it was only one person, and they seemed to be bleeding from their left hand when they were leaving the crime scene got it. So they're like, oh, probably in the struggle, like defensive wounds, his left hand must have bled. Officer Lang leaves the crime scene to go notify the family and because the cops had been to their house so many times everybody knows Nicole and OJ have this like terrible relationship and they had had a divorce. So Lang and his partner Van Adder drive over to OJ's house with a guy named Mark Furman. Who you're gonna want to remember because he comes up again and he's also a piece of shit. Okay. So they go up to OJ's front gate, they buzz just like the limo driver did. They could see the lights on in his house, but no one was answering. So Furman notices a white Ford Bronco parked outside the gate and it's parked at an odd angle, almost like someone was in a rush. I wonder why inside the Bronco, he sees a black bag with O J's name on it, and then they see blood near the driver's door handle. They also testified that they feared he was injured as part of the attack, like. Someone was targeting Nicole and O. J. because they don't have the full story yet. Funny. So, they were worried that O. J. was also a victim. And so, Furman, without a warrant, climbs over the gate and wall, just like O. J. did, and lets the detectives in. It's like, hello, welcome to our humble abode. Two cops go to the front door. Furman starts walking around the house and investigating just the area. Doesn't look like anyone's home. They keep ringing the doorbell. Furman wakes up Kato, the friend in the guest house. He weirdly claims he hasn't seen OJ all day. Which is weird, because weren't you just having fucking Big Macs with him? Sketchy. But, then he also brings up, like, I heard three loud thumps on the wall. So, like, why, la If you're gonna be an alibi, why give them that? I don't know. That's not the point. So, Furman, walking around trying to see what the thumps are, stumbles upon... A bloody glove, which is the perfect match to the other one that was found at the scene of the crime. Funny. So, after he sees it, he brings over Lange. He's like, come over here and look at this. So now they know that O. J. is a prime suspect. This is not a victim. Something's up. Once the sun comes up, because remember, this happened in the middle of the night. Once the sun comes up, they can see the blood. They can see it dripping from the Bronco, they can see it in his driveway, they see it up to his front door and into OJ's entrance hall. They find socks with blood on it in his room. Blood is, he's littering blood. So Van Adder orders the car to be seized and then they get a warrant for the house, obviously. Meanwhile, now they realize that OJ is nowhere to be found, they realize he's in Chicago. So they call him to tell him what happened. Turns out OJ booked a flight to Chicago that day. Funny. Funny enough. So they call him and they're like, Nicole Brown Simpson died. And he says quote, Who killed her? Not how did she die? Not where are my children? Not anything. Who killed her? Interesting. Well how, how would you know she was killed OJ? We didn't say that. Right. He agreed to be interviewed without a lawyer, and they notice a deep cut in his left hand. And he gave inconsistent and contradictory responses as to how that happened. He cut it on a glass in Chicago. No, no, no, wait. He cut it in L. A. and then he reopened it in Chicago, Colleen. None of it made sense. He kept going back and forth, and he kept changing it. They don't have enough to charge him on just yet, but then they talk to the limo driver, and he tells them about, you know, he didn't answer, the shadowy figure, the whole thing, and they now know that OJ doesn't have a strong enough alibi. No. There's wiggle room there. Right. So, shaky alibi, now they're looking for a motive and a murder weapon. The blood they found on the ground. You would think, Colleen. You would think. We'll get there. Don't worry. For motive, obviously, we have years of abuse. Nicole has told her friends on top of everything else that he was pressuring her to get back together with him. She called a woman's shelter a few days before and said she was scared. She called her mother a few days before the murder and said she was worried about the keys that had gone missing to her condo. And she thought that O. J. Had stolen them. Turns out he did steal them. They were with him when they arrested him. There's also numerous times the cops have been there. The 911 call. I mean, it's just so plain and simple. The list goes on. Yeah, but with no murder weapon, they still have plenty to go off of. So he's finally charged on June 17th. He is supposed to turn himself in. He does not. He does not. He famously becomes a fugitive in fleas. To where? Oh girl. The cops are now searching for him and they put out an APB on his now famous Ford white Bronco. Oh yeah. OJ's friend, Robert Kardashian, reads a suicide note to the press from OJ, where OJ thanks everyone in his life and professes his innocence, and then Robert Kardashian is like, please turn yourself in, OJ. Juice. Juice. It's too much. So, as they begin searching for him, A helicopter starts to broadcast on the Los Angeles freeway as OJ and his friend Al Cowlings drive in the white Bronco. Al was one of his best friends. He was a former Bills teammate. He calls 911. That's when they had like phones in the car. Al's driving, OJ's in the backseat, and before I get to more, just like, horrific, tragic stuff, this is, I just found this so funny. It was such a big deal that it interrupted the NBA Finals to show the feed, with an estimated audience of nearly 95 million people. The event was described as, quote, the most famous ride on American shore since Paul Revere. Domino's Pizza had a record amount of sales during the chase. Stop. Imagine working for Domino's. During the O. J. Simpson White Ford Bronco chase down the highway at 35 miles per hour, mind you. They were going 35 on a highway for two hours. You couldn't Two hours? This was for two hours. And they couldn't stop him? They just watched him instead? Oh, and People were holding up signs and like cheering him on and be like fuck the police OJ like you're innocent His fans are fucking crazy juice. You got this escape the police people were lined up on the fucking highway Like on on ramps because they and it's just like going by like this just so slow I can't uh, al tells the police that oj is suicidal. He's holding a gun to his head Detective tom lang gets a hold of them and he's like just throw the gun out the window Like he at one point is like just Take the gun from him. His teammates are calling news stations. Okay, so everyone wants clout, right? And all of these old teammates are calling in being like, Please, Juice, like, just, just turn yourself in. And one of them is like, It's like, it's, this is the last quarter, man. It's time to put the ball down before, And it's like, this is not the time for a fucking football analogy. Also, he can't hear you! Well, he might have the radio on in the car. Maybe, maybe he had the news on in the car. That's actually a good point. He just keeps saying, I want to talk to my mom. What is with men and their moms? Like, what is the deal? They're broken. So broken. So, eventually, at about two hours, they drive home. Sorry, it's not funny. It's just, like, insane. No, it's just so out of... The norm. It's so out of pocket that like, it's funny. He goes inside his house. He has a glass of OJ. Shut the fuck up. And he calls his mom. I just, in all, I could name like 20 other instances of things I would do in that situation and none of those would be like, I need to, I want my mom. No, he's a narcissist. Like, I want my mom. He's a narcissist. To go home and pour yourself a glass of orange juice when you know every single human essentially on the planet has been Clocking your every move for hours. You know that that's gonna get to the press. That's, he's being a showboat. So, he speaks to his mommy, and then he surrenders to the police at 8. 51 p. m. He also surrenders the car, in the, in the Bronco. They find... Passport, cash, gun, fake adhesive for a mustache and goatee. My guy, my guy, what do you think a mustache and goatee would do? You are 6 feet tall, 200 pounds, and truly the most famous person on the planet. Imagine him walking through an airport. Like, with one side of his mustache falling off. Like, what are you doing? No, it's not like he's subtle or small. No, or like unassuming. Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't blend No, he just not blended. He's not blended LAPD hands their case over to the district attorney's office They are like this is a slam dunk. There is so much evidence Not only is this going to hold up in court, he's going to be guilty. It's like an overwhelming amount of evidence. Oh girl. One of the cops said, of our last ten murders combined, none of them have as much evidence as this. Other than someone physically watching him do it, that's the, this is as open and shut as it gets. Here's the DNA of evidence they have. OJ's blood was found on the left hand glove at Nicole's home, as well as Ron and Nicole's blood were on it. The matching right glove was found at his home and also had Nicole and Ron's blood on it. The knit hat had his DNA on it. The bloody footprint matched his shoe size. Not only that, but they were a very rare and expensive pair of shoes. There had only been like a few made, and he had made some comment along the lines of like, Oh, I would never be caught dead in those shoes. Well, you were, according to paparazzi, because there's tons of pictures of you wearing them. They never found the shoes, though. I'm just saying. But they know that he owned them and wore them. And knife right before and the coroner matched that as the possible weapon. They also never found the knife. There was blood in and around the bronco, which they believed was from his bleeding hand. they also found Ron and Nicole's blood in the bronco. They found the socks with blood on them. Also had Nicole's blood on them. There are years and years of abuse between him and Nicole. The knife and the shoes were never found, like I said. I mean, he has a motive. He has a shit alibi, cuts on his left hand, blood everywhere, history of violence. Goodbye. Goodbye. That's all folks. No trial needed. Signed, sealed, delivered. Thank you for coming to the trial. It was the most watched trial in history, and it is now referred to as the trial of the century. Really? Yes. Damn. That's fair. To be totally honest with you, if I'm like a true investigative journalist, P. S. I'm not. This would, this trial alone would be a six part series. I went on YouTube to like watch certain clips and you can actually watch the O. J. Simpson trial in chronical, chronological order. 453 videos, all over an hour long. What? Eight and a half months. That's crazy. It was actually longer, but the jury was sequestered for eight and a half months. Nuts. This courtroom was a fucking television show. These people should be ashamed of themselves. Everyone was just trying to get clout. They joked that this courtroom was more of a TV show than an actual serious murder trial. So, OJ hires what is now known as the dream team of lawyers. The prosecutors are Robert Shapiro, Johnny Cochran, Robert Kardashian, F. Lee Bailey, Alan Dershowitz, and a bunch of other dudes you don't know. Shapiro. He represented one of the Melendez brothers who murdered their parents. Uh, he was also very popular with athletes and celebrities. Johnny Cochran, who eventually becomes the lead in the trial, has represented Snoop Dogg, Michael Jackson in Tupac, among other celebrities. F. Lee Bailey represented the Boston Strangler in Patty Hearst, who I did a story on in a previous episode. He was also disbarred twice. By Shapiro, later on. He was like on the council who disbarred him, twice. Robert Kardashian How do you get disbarred twice? You are an asshole, and you break the law. Oh, okay, got it. They live by like a code of ethics. So he's like double disbarred, basically. Yeah. Okay. Robert Kardashian was a friend of the family and lawyer. Uh, also the father of the Kardashians you now know. There are rumors he helped OJ get rid of that evidence. Okay, the knife in the shoes, there is nothing to support that. And they also say that he was hired so they could not call him as a witness. That's all fair. I actually, I think, I don't know at this time, I think that Chris and him are already divorced or about to be divorced. Yeah. Right. And I think they were, and it was weird because she was really good friends with. Nicole Brown. Yeah. Yes. Alan Dershowitz has been the lawyer to, really, the trifecta, which is Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, and Trump. Oh God. And this team paid him a very large sum of money to be a part of it. Really? Yes. They all wanted their hat in the race with that? Apparently. Damn. So, for the defense, you have Marcia Clark as the lead prosecutor, with Christopher Darden being the defense for the state of California. They are lifelong friends. Marcia Clark is going through a very messy divorce during the time, and this is so much of what the media focused on. Uh, she was also unattractive, and she didn't dress up the way they wanted to, and that becomes a whole Oprah show, but we'll save that for later. Also, tons of rumors that they are sleeping together. I don't know why this matters, but to the media it mattered that Darden was a black man. I can't. So, in this courtroom, the only person who did not write a book about the case, including all of the lawyers I just mentioned, was the judge in a lot of the jury. But, like, even jurors wrote books. Interesting. And the judge was known to love the cameras and, like, love to put Ew. So, not Judge Judy? Not. Oh my god, I wish it had been Judge Judy. This would have turned out completely differently. Get Judge Judy in this bitch! For anyone curious, the jury breaks down to eight black people, one Hispanic person, one white person, and two of mixed race. Okay. This is important later. Another horrible part of this trial, like I've been saying, is that in LA, everyone wants to be famous. There are so many people who sold their shit to reporters or newspapers and made money, but it affected the trial because the minute you do that, you can't testify because you're just in it for the clout. Like there was an eyewitness who saw a quote, angry OJ leaving the scene in a white Bronco. She sold her paper to the local newspaper and the prosecutor's office was like, well, she's untrustworthy. Mind you, she had already told the police her account and did it after the fact, but there were so many. People who had like a front row seat to how awful things were who wrote books or went to the news So they just couldn't testify. Yeah, I couldn't count. That's annoying. There are so many ways this entire case becomes a complete and utter shit show, but I'll cover the big ones Let's start off with the crime scene It was never secured. One detective went so far as to call it shameful and I have to fucking agree with him. From the jump, there are TV crews at the house early in the morning videoing the bodies outside. So, Officer Lang covers Nicole's body with a blanket he found in her house. Like, I mean, that's fair. Like, even though it doesn't And he stands by it, like, I was watching, and I'll post all my sources, but he says, like, I would have preferred the fibers that we know come from her house and her, or her dog, who's right here. Be on her than these camera crews zooming in and exploiting her and exploiting her dead fucking body Like this was the lesser of two evils, but of course the blankets covered in hairs and fibers from other people So it just makes things more difficult people walking in and out of this scene all day Like it is the fucking mall just anyone's welcome. Nope. Just come on in Mishandling evidence at one point they co mingle all the blood samples so they couldn't tell whose was who They didn't process the correctly, so it was essentially unusable. One guy, who I can't fucking stand, Dennis Fung, left evidence in a hot car for hours with no air conditioning. He was supposed to take blood, put it on a swab, wait for it to dry, and then put it in a very specific type of, not plastic, but like, a baggie. He didn't wait for it to dry, and then he put it in plastic and then left it in a hot car so it, like, melted and also the blood Melted together, so all of the samples were fucked? I can. The samples were mishandled so poorly in the lab that the results weren't reliable? Because of L. A. neighborhood ordinances, 36 hours after the murder, they hosed the whole place down because it, like, didn't look good. Uh, so, gone. All gone. Ugh, come on, man. There was a blood sample taken from a trainee. She took it and she left it in her coat pocket for three days. The, there was a bloody handprint on the door handle and someone came and changed the door handle and was like, Oh, sorry. Thought you got that. They didn't. No. Naturally. Maybe we should have asked first, maybe? Yeah. Or just like take the fucking d n A, this is one of the first cases that D n A has ever played a factor, and for this case it is the biggest factor. Okay. So right now, D n A makes total sense to us, right? It's undeniable proof. Everybody's as different. It's very clear back then there's no c s i. There's no criminal minds. There's no law. And order us for you. That's crazy. So I know, right? We've come so far. To understand DNA and blood samples, you have to have a degree at the time. Like, you needed to be very, very smart. It would be like someone coming in right now and explaining quantum physics to us. We would be like, Sorry? Pardon? Yeah. Keep in mind, when you go to trial, you're being tried by a jury of your peers. These aren't people who have a degree in science or biology, whatever the fuck. These are your regular blue collar humans who need someone to come in and explain it in layman's terms, like, dumb it down for us. What the hell is DNA? Why is it, why is it important? And it's just, it's unbiased. That's what they don't understand. It's like DNA doesn't lie. They send up Dennis Fung. And his testimony is one of the biggest failures in the case. Oh, God. They needed him to just come in, explain DNA super simple, and prove without a shadow of a doubt that it was OJ. He did none of that. He was boring. He used all the big words. He didn't dumb it down. He didn't explain DNA well at all. He left tons of room for doubt. He contradicted himself. He, he was the worst witness. I mean, he wasn't a witness, but he was the worst person to call to the stand. This is what he had to testify. The blood found on a sock in Simpson's bedroom was Nicole Brown's within 1 in 170 million chance. That's it. That's it. That's it. End of story. Oh wait, there's another one. The blood drops next to the body, the bloody footprints near Nicole's body were Simpson's within a 1 in 9. 7 billion chance. 9. 7 billion, so no one else, because that's more than the population of the planet. Yeah, why wouldn't you just say they're his? He doesn't. Ugh, what the fuck. Was he getting paid? I don't, I don't know. This person is so fucking dumb. So, Barry Sheck is one of OJ's lawyers. He smells blood in the water with Fung, and he goes at him. His cross examination lasts nine days. He's super aggressive. He asks him a ton of questions. Feng either can't answer, he contradicts himself, he looks stupid. Then he's just saying words that nobody gets, so he looks too smart. They ask him, did you use gloves while transporting those blood samples? And he's like, yes, of course. They, thanks to the paparazzi at the scene, show pictures of him just like, raw dogging fucking evidence. No. Full bare hands. Not a glove in sight. What are you doing? How do you have a job? Yikes. Then he held up OJ's sock, and he asked if Fung could see Nicole's blood on it. And Fung was like, no. Sorry. Quick, quick pause. If you can't see DNA with your naked eye, it doesn't mean it's not there. He never explains like, yes, you may not be able to see it, but her DNA is on that sock. He never said that. He just said no. He ended up being more beneficial to the prosecution than he was to the defense. When he was done, this man got up, walked over to Marsha Clark in Darden, shook their hands and hugged them. Ew. And then walked over to OJ's lawyers and did the exact same thing. Sir, this is not a meet and greet. What the fuck are you doing? Is something wrong with him? I don't know. Someone, someone help this man. It's giving missing social cues. He just didn't explain key evidence. Like the biggest evidence in the case, he didn't explain well. And people didn't like him. So then we get into the corruption of the LAPD. There are a lot of things wrong with this case. I'm only going to do like the biggest ones because we just don't have the time or the strength. So the corruption of the LAPD. OJ's team ran with the LAPD planting evidence because they're racist. Johnny Cochran was the one to decide to pull the quote unquote race card and bring race into the case. This was ultimately a very good move because of all the civil unrest with Rodney King and OJ being a hero to the black community. It just all plays in his favor. Yeah, it really took advantage of the times, for sure. A hundred percent. The police returned to the murder scene three weeks later and found O. J.'s blood on the back gate near the bloody footprint. O. J.'s team argues that it wasn't there the first time and that's why it wasn't collected, which means they went back three weeks later and planted it. OJ had given a blood sample to the LAPD. No one wrote down how much of his blood they took. So when they asked the guy who usually does it, he was like, I don't know, 8 milliliters? 8 milliliters? And when the LAPD went in and looked, there were only 6 milliliters. So the prosecution was like, oh, so that too you planted. Instead of you guys just like writing it the fuck down. Let's talk about the glove, because we can't really talk about the O. J. trial without talking about the goddamn glove. Naturally. Mark Fuhrman, the cop who jumped the gate and let the guys in, he found the glove alone at first and then called Lange over. The theory is, is that he picked up, this is OJ's team's theory, he picked up the matching glove from the crime scene, used the bloody glove to smear it over the, the Bronco. Then he planted it in the backyard, yelled over, Lang comes over, and they see it. He was, I saw somewhere, he was the 14th person on the scene. So how would he steal a glove, the matching glove, if he was the 14th person to even be there? Yeah. Also, they were able to confirm that the blood had the victim's blood on it with OJ's and that it didn't come from a vial. Like, they can tell, like, this came from a body and this came from a vial. So how would Furman get onto a scene, fly to Chicago, get OJ's DNA on it, then fly back and plant it at OJ's house? It's not possible. Because, right. Right. It didn't happen, there is one cardinal rule in a courtroom. You do not demonstrate things in front of the jury unless you know what the outcome will be. And this is now taught because of this moment. Oh, okay. Okay, so Marcia Clark, she's getting it from all angles. The media is just ripping her to shreds. She made the horrible mistake where she couldn't come to trial one day and they put it on pause so she could take care of her fucking kid. That was horrible. She's not cute. She doesn't wear nice clothes. Whatever. They're coming for her. Justice for Marsha. She's sleeping with a black man, God fucking forbid. Whatever. So, Marsha and Darden are kind of spiraling. They need something to get the jury back on their side. There are also just days and days of boring DNA evidence being had. Some people are falling asleep. The glove from the crime scene, both gloves are there. And Darden is like, hey Marcia, what if we had OJ try on the gloves at trial? And she's like, abso fucking lutely not. No way in hell. We have him. We don't need to do this. We don't have anything to prove. It's a hard fucking no. One day, Robert Shapiro was walking around. They called it, it was an exceptionally boring day. They call for lunch. He goes up, goes up. And he sees the gloves. And he knows that the evidence has already been taken from them. So he's like, I'm gonna try them on. And they're too small, and so they go to lunch, and he just says out loud to the group, Isn't it crazy? Like, the gloves were too small for me. And they lose their shit. Cause now they know OJ, who is a Much bigger man than Robert Shapiro is. His, his hands aren't going to fit in the gloves. Darden alleges that Johnny Cochran walked up to him and said, If you don't ask him to try them on, I will. And so, against Marsha's objections, in court, Darden asked OJ, Famously, to try on the gloves and he makes a fucking show of it and he gets up and he's hemming and hawing and he's, he's trying to pull them on and he's showing that he's grandstanding. He's like showing them to the jury and truly being the actor he really is. He walks over with a big smirk on his face. So I want to play you what happened in court that day. This person is the person Nicole bought the gloves from. Oh, okay. She's the clerk. He also has to put rubber gloves on first before he puts the actual gloves on. We all ask Mr. Simpson to stand. That's people 77. I mean, look at how hard he's pulling on them, like he's... The drama. The fucking drama. Get it right, get it tight. So that's what happens in court. And what do we think about that? So it turns out that... The gloves had been covered in blood, and had been frozen, thawed, and re frozen multiple times and they had shrunk. There's also a theory that Cochran told OJ a couple weeks before to stop taking his arthritis medication and his joints swelled up. His fingers were swollen. There's also, and Darden says this, I don't know if this happened, some people say Cochran tampered with them. I don't know. I don't know. He's also wearing rubber gloves before he actually puts them on. What is so frustrating about all of this, especially this moment, is it's fucking semantics. It doesn't matter whether he planted it there or not. It has OJ's blood on it. Right. It has no It could be anything. It has Nicole and Ron's blood on it. It doesn't matter how it got there. I mean, of course it does, but you can't remove DNA. He is still a murderer. 100%. I agree. It's the difference between reasonable doubt and without a doubt, it's just all so frustrating. So back to Furman, with the prosecution, they decide to go for his character, which it turns out is not very hard to do with him. Uh, on the witness stand, F. Lee Bailey asked Furman if he's ever said the N word in the last 10 years. Oh God. To which he says no. And he asks again, and he says no. And F. Lee Bailey sits down, smug as shit. They have Months later They have a camera of him, like, saying Oh girl. Months later They call him back, and they're like, Hey, we have some stuff for ya that's gonna contradict everything you said a couple months ago. Turns out Furman had a therapist, 10 years prior that he went to because he was seeking treatment and therapy for quote, systematic issues for racial bias that affected him on the job. There is a video of him where he says the N word in one sitting over 40 times. He also admits that it was not only done all the time, but it was encouraged to plant shit on black people and to testify things even if you didn't see them firsthand. Just to blame them. Yeah. This leads to the jury seeing him as a liar, as a racist, and he also gets his very own perjury charge, because he perjured himself in court. Idiot. The video shown of him, it actually ruined the therapist's career. She could no longer be a therapist, because obviously you're not allowed to share video evidence of what you do in therapy. In that video, he also goes off on a spiel because it turns out he's also a misogynist. And his supervisor at the time, he keeps saying is like, he says all these mean things about her, but he says she's the reason why women shouldn't be in the LAPD. Uh, his boss, his supervisor, was the judge's wife. Oh shit. So, meh suh ee, messy, messy, messy. There is this one part, I want to say, Marsha Clark and Darden, they have this one win, where OJ's team tried to say that OJ has severe arthritis and he couldn't possibly have murdered them because he's like not well and like decrepit. Marsha and Darden play a fitness tape he recorded two weeks before the murder. In the tape, it's so not funny, in the tape he's jumping around, lifting heavy weights, popping around. And he makes stabbing motions to, quote, work on his elbow and says to the camera, This one is particularly fun to do with a wife. Good! I'm not making that up. That, that's actually a thing that happened. Good lord. So, all of this to say, closing arguments happen, the defense lays out the evidence, all of the DNA, the history of abuse, all the, everything. Cochran gets up, he compares Fuhrman to Hitler, and calls him a genocidal racist. And He says the famous line of, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. That is where that line came from, and he's talking about the glove. They didn't care about giving other options for murders. They did. There was like a whole cartel situation, like a Colombian cartel. I can't. That's too far. All they needed was reasonable doubt though. They weren't worried about proving someone else did it. They just wanted the jury. They put on a show. They put on a show for this jury and on October 3rd, 1995, after being sequestered for over eight months together and deliberating for four hours, the jury comes back with 100 million people watching the trial live. For the record, those are Super Bowl numbers. they find O. J. Simpson not guilty of murder. That's fucking crazy. This absolutely shook the nation. It split everyone in half. The black community felt like this was fair and it was an eye for an eye and justice for Rodney King. The white community obviously feeling differently. I mean, it's so hard, because I obviously can't speak to what it's like being black, period. But what it's like being black at this time, when your friends and family are being beaten and fucking oppressed every single day, with zero repercussions, and white cops get to do whatever the fuck they want. I just wish O. J. Simpson wasn't their poster boy. Like, there are plenty of innocent people who are going to prison for no reason. He's actually fucking guilty. He's a fucking animal. He took advantage of the times, for sure. I I can't! So, Simpson's not guilty verdict was, quote unquote, payback for Rodney King. Uh, juror Carrie Best said 90% of the jurors felt that way. OJ may have won his criminal case but he later lost the civil case for wrongful deaths of Ron and Nicole. He had to pay Ron's family 33. 5 million in damages. Holy shit. He later published a book called If I Did It, where the letters if are so teeny tiny that when you just look at the book it just says, I did it. I can't. I wonder what like Where do you see if in that? I don't. Also, what does he have to write about? The fuck? If. Like. Me. Oh my god, it's in the eye. I can't. Mm hmm. If I did it. Fuck off. So, the book got shut down from public outrage, but then it was published with all the proceeds going to Ron's family, as they fucking should. Uh, he also had custody of his children this entire time, sidebar. Interesting. But the book is a hypothetical story of how the murders were committed. But weirdly, the story he tells fits perfectly with what they actually think happened that night. And he has the gall. The absolute fucking audacity to say that she was abusing him. Oh my god, I can't. Some therapists have called it a classic narcissist admitting to murder while constantly speaking in, well, if I did it, or if I were to do it, and then perfectly describing the timeline. I can't. Marcia Clark wrote a book that made 4. 2 million and it's the best selling book to come from the case. She resigned shortly after because of the verdict. To pay off of his debt, OJ had to sell all of his memorabilia, including his Heisman trophy. Oh, damn. Which he tried to get back. On the night of September 13, 2007, a group of men led by OJ entered a room in the Palace Station Hotel in Vegas, uh, where they tried to rob A sports memorabilia dealer at gunpoint. The entire thing was videotaped and posted because you're a bunch of dumb fucking idiots. On October 3rd, 2008, exactly 13 years after he was acquitted of the murders of his ex wife and Ron Goldman, Simpson was found guilty of all 12 charges. Right after the verdict was read, Simpson, obviously being out on bail, was handcuffed and taken away. He was sentenced to 33 years in prison with eligibility for parole in 9 years. Which he got and was released. Wait, what 12 charges? The original ones? No, when he was robbing the guy Oh, okay, okay. At gunpoint and all that stuff. He now lives in a gated community in Vegas. He plays golf and posts his unsolicited thoughts, feelings, and advice on fucking Twitter. On everything. I can't. To a 2016 poll, 83% of white Americans and 57% of black Americans believe Simpson committed the murders. And that is the murder. of Nicole and Ron in the trial of O. J. Simpson. Justice for Nicole and Ron! I know. And you know what it is? What's so annoying is like, his lawyers put on a better show. They called better people to the stand who were charismatic and held an audience and people didn't like Marsha and they didn't like Darden and they called boring people who made things confusing. Mix in a domestic race war and a famous person and you have One person getting away with murder. Also, like, it clouded everything else. So you're saying he didn't do it, then who the fuck do you think did? Where are the other, like, I can't. Yeah, so there are theories that his son did it. I won't say too much about it other than his son is mentally unwell and has a history of violence against women. Shocker. And that's why he says you didn't do it. But, like, in the car, in the white Bronco, he's just like, I loved her. I loved her. And so people thought he was still saying that, but trying to protect his son. I'm like, he's not a fucking savior. There was like, his team was trying to say it was a Colombian drug cartel. And one of the cops, I think it's Van Adder, is on the stand in one of O. J.'s I forget what it's called. It's like when you pull someone's tongue out through their stomach or it's like something fucking horrific But it's like it's called like Colombian tongue tie It's like something like that and the cop didn't know what that was because like oh you don't know methods of torture in Colombia That's so weird of you people gasped like how does he not know that and the whole point was to make him look stupid? And it worked The jury was like, wow, he knows nothing. Yeah. Like, they just put on a fucking show. They put on a show. And people loved OJ, like, that low speed car chase. People were on the highway with signs, like, get him, Juice. Imagine we did that for, like, Ted Bundy. No, like, you would never. But he was so idolized and he was so like, Aaron Hernandez. That's like people doing that for him. Yeah, but, but mix Aaron Hernandez with like, uh, I mean, who's beloved? Tom Brady. Yeah. Mm. Yes. It's like if Tom Brady did this and you were just like, no, he's like my childhood hero. He's in the fucking Hertz commercial. He would never kill his wife. Right. With his kids in the house. Like, that would never happen. With the kids in Okay. And like, if it had been even five years later with DNA, this whole thing would have turned out differently. Oh man, I literally, I had a nightmare the other night, I need to stop looking and listening to this shit because it's just not, it's just not good and it's all bad and there's just no justice. I mean, he didn't get justice. He robbed someone at gunpoint years later and did nine years. True colors. Yeah, so now he's old and decrepit and chubby, so fuck him. Fuck him. Agreed. I feel really bad for Ron and Ron's family. I obviously feel terrible for Nicole Brown. I just feel like Ron's family just really gets the shit out of the stick. Like, no one talks about them, no one thinks about them. It's just like, O. J. and Nicole, O. J. and Nicole. He is like the hardcore definition of like an innocent bystander. Wrong place, wrong time. Yes. For sure. And like, Cochran's closing statements, he's like, think of the children. Are you thinking of the children? No! How about when you called him to tell him his wife died and he didn't even ask about them? How about that? He's not thinking about the children. Who killed her? Fuck off! Yeah, that was crazy. Anyway, please let's play a game for the love of everything that's holy. Sure, sure, sure. I was gonna say you did so that's like so good, but like it's obviously not a good story, but like you I mean, I worked on this for multiple days and, oh, my sources, I'm actually so glad you said that. Thank you. You did it such justice. I really hope so. Uh, I watched a BuzzFeed Unsolved with our two favorite guys. Naturally. Did OJ commit those murders? The Infographics Show. This is a really short and sweet graphic on YouTube that was. It's lovely in the way that it was just like so easy to understand. Secrets of the OJ Simpson Trial, Tainted Evidence and Flawed Forensics from Real Crime, a lot of Wikipedia. The last podcast on the left, The Casual Criminist is a podcast and it's actually done by lawyers so that was really interesting to hear their take. Rodney King from History. Wiki, wiki, wiki, wiki, wiki. Fabulous. Woof. Let's giggle. Big woof. Okay, we can giggle. That's fine. We got some giggles in there, though. We did. Yeah, definitely. They slid in. I mean, Domino's really was the winner. Actually, though, they said Imagine watching a car chase and being like, I gotta call Domino's. I need a pizza for this shit. How about this, though? At the actual trial, I think it's when they said, like, we came back with a verdict. For two hours, no one ordered a single pizza. Really? So, what they lo what they gained at the chase, they lost at the Yeah, they needed they were so anxious, they couldn't eat. Just as for Domino's. I can't. Uh, Domino's is just for the people. They really are. You know what? They used to be absolute cardboard trash. They've really stepped up their game. They seasoned that crust That cheesy bread? Bury me. Good cream for. Just slather it all over my body. With the marinara. Ugh. I love marinara dip. It is so good. So good. It's like, the cheese is crispy. It's not like gooey cheese, like Annie's mac and cheese goo. It's like. Oh yeah, I don't like that shit. The best kind of garlic bread. It's the kind you can like bite into when it's not wet. Yes. You know? Yes. Exactly. so today I was thinking, you know, to just list off a couple things I saw on TikTok. Just like, things I don't understand. Okay, great. And you'll agree, they're like normal things, they're not like a me, I don't understand, because we know how I am, but in general. So things we don't understand. Okay, great. You can tell me if you agree or disagree too. It's just things that I simply don't get if I think about it, and if I think about it too much it literally hurts me. Okay, done. The president's paycheck. Who the, who? Who decides how much, how much, who decides how much he gets? Who pays him? Where does that money go? Where does it come from? How much does he get paid? I mean, a lot. It's actually not as much as you would think. Like, he's not the highest paid person on the planet. It's not like that. Okay. 000 annually. Damn. That's chump change. Which is, which is a lot of money, but if you think about, like, what Beyonce makes To run a fucking country? That's chump change. Yeah, for real. you get a portion of that for the rest of your life as well. I mean, still. Yeah, I mean, it's just not enough. You're running a fucking country. Yep. Like, that's crazy. And the first lady makes no money. She's just doing her work free of charge? Yeah. For clout? Damn, okay. Yeah, I can't wait for there to be a first gentleman. We really need one. Mmm. Life insurance. Why are we paying to live? No, that's not why you're paying. Oh. You're paying in case you don't live. Oh. In case something happens to you. It's the same way you pay car insurance. Oh, okay. Erin's my beneficiary. Great. Why is it called gas if it's a liquid? And it's not a gas. Why is it called gas? Wait, say that again? You know when you put gas in your car? It's a liquid, it's not a gas. But gasoline is a fluid. Or a liquid. Oh. Like a gas stove is just gas. Gasoline is the liquid. That's so confusing. I hate that. Sure. I get that. That's fair. Eggs! Why? Why do some have little chickens inside and some don't? Why? Sometimes they're a yolk. Sometimes there's a whole ass little baby chicken in there. I don't get it. I hope you are not using eggs in your frying pan that you have opened one day and found a baby chick. No, but you know how people do. It's called something. when you open the top and there's a... Half fertilized egg. Oh my god, you need to look it up for me. I've I've looked it up before. It's a dish. When you just eat like a fertilized egg with the chicken inside. Balut? Balut! Yes! Balut! Look at it in images. You're gonna want to die. Nope. Nope. I already can see that's a hard pass. Okay, yeah, it's not cute. And they just like slurp up the chicken. It's fucking disgusting. They're like, it's a delicacy. No, it's fucking not. It's disgusting. You know, what's a delicacy? Chicken fingers. Chicken tenders. With honey mustard. Get out of here with your raw ass, unfertilized fucking chickens. Just like, ew, dude. And why are we cracking things open that come out of a chicken's asshole? I don't get it. Do babies come out of assholes, Colleen? No. Okay, great. Oh, do chickens come out of the cooch? I believe so. Oh! A chicken lays eggs and poops out of the same opening. Merp, I hate that. Shits. Thank you. So yeah, you're right. That's foul. So get, get eggs out of here. I don't care if they're a good source of protein. Okay, this one hurt me. Fish in the sea, okay? It's like Adam and Eve. Like, was there an Adam and an Eve of fish? And they just procreated? Sorry? And kept growing? Like You want to know the origin of fish? Yes! And there's so many kinds. Like, there had to have been, like, an OG. And then they wanked. Do you think that we know everything about the ocean? No, I don't want to know everything about the ocean. It's so scary. So I think we just let it there's just so many fish. Where did they all come from? Yes. They didn't fall from the sky. They wanked. So who are the OGs? Are they still alive? No, probably not. I don't know. Fish live a long time. traffic. That's straightforward. I have always said that traffic is because of a bad red light. Yep, somewhere. Or a car accident. That's usually what slows it down. Everyone just go faster on three. One, two, three. That's what I'm saying! So annoying! No, it's usually red lights and backup on side roads that go on to the actual highway. In just volume of cars. It's disrespectful. It's so disrespectful. Bluetooth and airdrop. How do you get those connections? Like, it just goes from one to the other? But don't you feel that same way about text? What's the difference? I don't know. It's just different to me. Okay. That's fair. I don't know how to explain it. Okay. Bridges that are built in water. How do we get to the bottom? I don't get it. Same thing with tunnels underwater. I actually do think about that all the time because They have underwater builders? To get to the airport in Boston, you have to go through a tunnel that is in fact under the water. And I think about that all the time. I thought that was a myth. I'm almost positive there's a tunnel that goes underwater to get to the airport. I mean, I'm not disagreeing. I'm just thinking, like, you know when you come out, like, where's the water? At the airport? No, I'm asking. I don't know, like, you know, I just picture myself coming out of a tunnel, and then I just like look behind me, and it's just like the city. Like, where the fuck is the water? Well, the tunnel doesn't come out right where the water ends. That would be really silly. So it takes you further. On both sides. They wouldn't build a tunnel that stops right at a water's edge. That would not be safe. Right, that wouldn't make a ton of sense. You're right. Okay. The government. Okay, that's like the third time you've brought it up. It's like, is there We need to talk about this. Is there an address for the government? Like, I just I feel like people, every time something happens it's like What do you want to know about the government? Like, who is it? Who? I don't know, it's just What the fuck do you mean? Do you mean the branches of government? I mean, I guess. There are branches that are in charge of different things. Okay, cool. Like the money? Sure. Okay. The guns. Story for a different day. Yeah. Okay, on to the next. Phone storage. Why don't I just have unlimited? Like, we all have the same size phone. Yeah, that's for them companies to make more money. You know what I mean? Like, we all have the same size phone. Yeah, that's on purpose. Mm, so rude. How do we just know the weather forecast? What are you bitches looking at up there? Meteorologists. How do we know it's going to rain in a couple days? Well, it's a science. I don't like it. She just did a heavy eye roll. Not interested. I don't like it. And they're always, they're always wrong. They're lying to us. You're just salty about your cape weekend. Yeah, I am. Okay. Whatever. What makes something edible? Like, who the fuck decided we could eat this? Why can't I eat this blanket? Who decided? People who have tried it and felt like shit for days. Who decided that our stomach acid could handle it? You know? Why, do you want to test some things out and see what happens to you? I don't know, maybe. I've seen my strange addiction. People be eating the stuff in the walls. Oh my god, the couch stuffing. Yeah, the couch stuffing. Isn't it the woman who's like afraid of broccoli and her hands like shake as she puts it in her mouth? No, I've never seen that one. Oh my god. also the woman that eats her like husband's ashes and she likes the crunch. No, you did not just fucking say that. She eats her husband's ashes, but she's getting really nervous because she's running out. Was she gonna go get someone else ashed up? I don't know. She praying for someone else to be cremated so she can keep up her weird fucking fixation? Probably do. Go to therapy. There was another one, I think she ate cornstarch. Get a boy cousin. Touch some grass. Yes. and also who decided what words were bad? Like, why is motherfucker bad, but like, eggshells good? Like, who decided? What? You know what I mean? Linguistics! That's totally fair. Linguistics! It's crazy! Jesus. Why can parrots talk, but other birds can't? Who decided that the parrots were the communicators? That's a fair question. That's so fair. Okay, thank you. Parrots might be better at mimicry than hummingbirds and songbirds thanks to a variation in these neurons, a special shell layer that surrounds each one. Birds with larger shell regions appear to be better at imitating other creatures, although it's still unclear why. Okay. The evolution of the bird. You know who could've figured that out? Who? The guy from Alcatraz. Birdman! Yeah. Birdman could've known. Yeah. He could've figured that out. Definitely. Daylight savings. I don't fuck with daylight savings. Can I tell you, it is one of my least favorite parts of living in Boston is daylight motherfucking savings. We don't do that all across the year? I mean, all across the world? No. Just here? In certain areas, they just don't recognize it. They just don't fuck with it? Yeah. We should move. So like, when I was in Aruba, it was daylight savings in Boston. Even though we're always in the same time zone except for that portion of the year because Aruba doesn't follow daylight savings. A lot of people don't. There are certain U. S. states that don't even do it. Interesting. It's bullshit. Somebody take care of it. Seasonal depression is real. I don't like it. I don't like it a lot. Fax machines. Yeah, wild, right? So you're telling me I'm just gonna put something in the machine and press a bunch of numbers and all of a sudden it just pops up somewhere else? What the fuck is that? What the fuck is that? Calculators! How? How is the math mathin How? How? Calculators make sense to me because they're like a baby phone. They're like the OG phone. I know, but like, how do they have a system inside that little flat thing that can just do the math? I mean, the same way like, chat, GPT, like, I mean, it's all crazy. Technology is wild. Eyebrows. Eyebrows? We just have little lines of hair on our face. That we have to maintain. It actually is so weird. That we have to maintain. it. That we just have to, like, and it really, like, has an effect on your face shape. And if you grow them out, you look fucking weird, and if you got rid of them, you would look fucking weird. Mm hmm. So wild. They're just universally accepted. Like, what if we all just got rid of our eyebrows? You know? So strange. Tolboos. Yeah, again, a way for a state to make money. It's giving scam. It's giving literal highway robbery. I was going to say highway robbery, like why the fuck do I have to pay to go over like random, like why do I have to pay when I'm on the Tobin? The fuck? To go to another part of the state 20 minutes away, I have to pay you? Sorry! That's taxation without the representation! Well done. Well done. The stock market! Yeah. Who decides the stocks are up or whatever? Yeah, I, listen, you're definitely asking The stocks be stalking. The stocks are stalking. Wolf of Wall Street. dust. Just saying words. Like, what is dust? What is it? What the fuck is dust? Dust is made of fine particles of solid matter. Great. Doesn't look like it. On Earth it generally consists of atmospheric particulates that come from various sources such as soil lifted by wind, volcanic eruptions, and pollution. Dust in homes is composed of EWWW! What? Dust in homes is 20 50% of dead skin cells. Oh, okay. Eww. Don't love that. Blech. Gross. And my follow up to that is what is earwax? Why is it wax? What the fuck is it? I think most things on the human body are there to protect it. So I'm assuming that air wax is there to protect it so that your brain is safe. I'm serious. So they, oh okay, so it like stops, stops us? Yeah. Like hair on the body kind of? Yeah. Air wax protects the air, trapping and preventing dust, bacteria and other germs and small objects from entering and damaging the ear. People when they have bugs in their ears like really scare me. Wild. Unacceptable. And like, I just hear fluttering. I'd be, if I ever woke up and heard something, I would, I think I'd scratch my own ear out. Like, I Yeah, no, that would drive me nuts. Oh my god, I can't. That's some crazy form of torture. And last but not least, Braille. blind people use to read? Yeah, so you're telling me, you just can't see, but you can feel it? Like I just, it's crazy. It's so crazy. Well, it's the same thing for you in an alphabet. It's their way of No, I know and I'm happy they have that. I do. Thank you. Pop off, Helen. But, I'm just saying like, I just don't understand braille. Yeah, it's pretty wild. It's wild. Or like who, I'm so curious like how do you teach that? How do you, yeah. It's just crazy. Yeah, and that's all I got. Hope that really got you. Wow. I hope that really got you thinking. I hope it got like, you know, something going on. The wheels are turning. They're spinning like crazy over here. I hope you're inspired. To find out what dust truly is. And why we have air wax. Find out who the government is and find out what the fuck is up with Phish. Okay, two positive stories of the week. This is from Upworthy. Man creates stand in group to support the LGBTQ plus community at their weddings and other special occasions. Okay, that's cute. For every unsupportive person there are hundreds of others with a lot to give, is what he says. His name is Daniel Bevins. And he created Stand in Pride, and it's an organization dedicated to help LGBTQ plus folks who have lost loved ones and support from their family. SIP connects them with one of their thousands of members who are ready to show up as stand in family during big life moments. And so, this is him at a wedding. It is sad that you really get to that place, though. That you don't, like, you need support from elsewhere. Like, that is so sad. he'll get videos of people who are, like, sobbing, and like, my mom's not coming to my wedding because I'm marrying a woman, and... And it's coming from a woman or, or any person who's just like, Oh, you know, I have a birthday or something's coming up. And he either goes himself and like does stand in parenting or he, there's like thousands of members now. So we'll attach that if you're interested in joining that, I feel like that's really nice. Thanks. Good news. This man traveled 13 miles by bicycle and car through the Maui wildfires to save his grandmother. Stop. 28 year old, and I'm going to do my best here, Paile Keakona traveled 13 miles by bike and car across the island of Maui as it burned on August 8th to save his grandmother in the town of Lahaina. I was going as fast as I could, but the fire was coming really fast. I almost fell over multiple times. The wind was just crazy. There were points where I felt I would give up, like I couldn't make it. But I felt as if God had his hand on my shoulder, pushing me and helping me. By the time he reached our house, it had burned. But thanks to his journey and a dirt bike ride from one of his cousins, Kiyokana and his grandmother made it out of the blazes alive. Sweet baby angel. Love them. Alright everybody, and that is the episode of the week. Yeah it was. We hope you enjoyed it question mark. No they definitely did. You did a really good job. Thank you. 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