Hi Deacon, It's Colleen

On this week’s episode, Colleen's legacy will be chicken salad toast, Dairy Queen induced burps and yelling at men in bars. Bridget is obsessed with Project Hail Mary and wants the insane movie press tours to stop. But, we can all agree that the TikTok AI Gospel songs absolutely slap. 

Then Bridget takes us into the wild and deeply suspicious disappearance of JIMMY HOFFA. Bridget covers how one of the most powerful men in America went missing without a trace. We get into Hoffa’s rough childhood, his explosive rise to power and the absolutely chaotic theories surrounding his disappearance. Was he cremated? Buried under Giants Stadium? Taken out by “the two Tonys”? We phone in a friend to find out. 

Grab your skinny margaritas for this one!!! There's enough conspiracy theories to fill an entire History Channel marathon.

Sources:

• Killing Jimmy Hoffa - Amazon Prime
• The Sinister Disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa - Buzzfeed Unsolved on YouTube

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Pour me a glass of rosé or make it a chardonnay. Come on and sip it with the Shannons. Or if it's Riesling Rimau or a Pinot Grigio, you know we're sipping with the Shannons. Whoa. Yeah. I have a mix of two songs in my heart in this moment, okay? Okay. One is, Just around the riverbend. Oh, okay. Pocahontas. And, And he don't love me like tequila does. And nobody can. He don't give me that all town buzz. Like tequila does. Can I tell you something? I have never been drunk off beer in my life. Me either. Not one time. Isn't that crazy? I feel the same way. But I feel like, do other beverages count? Like, do I- like, I've never been drunk off like a White Claw. Like, that's not for me either. Or, like a seltzy. I can't 'cause of the bubbles. Yeah, I'd just be a belchin'. I'd be a belchin'. You'd just be out here a belchin'. I had Dairy Queen the other day and belched, and I had, I also had a Diet Pepsi on the side. I don't know what came over me, I don't even like ice cream. It was gone in the blink of an eye, and then I tried to wash it down with a Diet Pepsi. Every time I spoke it was like like I was Darth Vader, and I could not- get the bubbles out. I had tears in my eyes. Fiona and Aaron were like, "Step out of the vehicle." Something is wrong. Go release your gases elsewhere. It was, I was literally, every time I went to talk I'd be like and there'd be like a bubble in my throat, and I couldn't stop. It was hilarious. Anywho. Like Buddy the Elf. Proceed way worse. Way worse? 'Cause I would be like, I would not know it was there, and I'd go to be like, "Hey, what's up?" And it'd be like Is that your fake burp? I really don't like it. My fake burp? Yeah. Right now, that's what it sounded like. I can burp on command. No, please don't. I know, I'm telling you, I didn't do it. I n- no, 'cause I was, I was prepared. I- You were prepared. I'm sacked. I have been shunned. Well, I, you know what song's been stuck in my head is? From Hairspray. He's from Texas, I can tell. A mile away. A mile away. He's two-stepping in the room. Two-stepping in the room. You know there's a gang called the Ella Fellas Oh, is there now? Ellis Fellas, yeah. There is. I'm gonna join it. Go for it. I love that for you. I could be a, I think I could pass as a Fella sometimes. On a slicked back day? Oh. I did two in a row this week. My grays were standing up straight through it. I was like, "Look away." Look away. Look away. Anyway. Hi, everyone. Sorry, I was getting my tequila, but hi. Welcome to this week's episode of Sipping With The Shannons. I don't know why I said that like a news anchor. Those looks that are kind of sad. Are you sad? No, I'm not sad. Okay, it sounded sad. Do I sound sad? It sounded sad. Oh, okay. News anchor happy. Okay. Three, two, one. Hi, everyone. Hi. Welcome to this week's episode of Sipping With The Shannons. We're cousins, and every other week we sit down, we sip on margaritas, we have- We talk some shit and we have a good giggle. I am Bridget Shannon. You know how they do the long pause when they send it off to somebody? Let's, let's do it. Yeah, back to you in the studio, Colleen. And back to you, Bridget, from the couch. I'm Colleen, obviously. You would obviously be the weatherman. Oh, 100%. You obviously- Actually, no, I don't know. I think I'd wanna be, like, boots on the ground. Boots on the ground journalism? Breaking news. I am here located on the corner of Fourth and Abawash, and we have a murder. Sources are saying... Wait, this is so ridiculous. The murderer is on the loose. Hide your kids, hide your wives. They're killing everybody. Just kidding. That would be so entertaining to see you on the news as an anchor. You know, I would think so, too. I think, I think you're onto something. Let me tell you something. John Mans, he plays the news for hours before Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! Mm-hmm. And we watch Jeopardy! and we watch Wheel of Fortune every single time I'm over. And the news, they just be playing the same shit over and over again. We need some original content. I get it. And we need some happy shit. I get that somebody's- Like, does it always have to be doom and gloom? No, it's not always. No, it's not always. Like, that la- I turned on the TV and the lady was, you know, she was getting the firefighters come for her birthday at the old lady home. Aw. Like, I saw that IRL. Loved that. Yeah, so, like, they do things like that, and then, like, the weather. People are obsessed with the weather. Mm-hmm. But let me tell you- In Boston specifically. If it's a boring day, they play the same shit all day long. Yeah. Whatever. I actually, I was visiting Jenny and Pauline last night- Mm-hmm and they requested Wendy's for next week because they would both like Frosties. Jenny is a diabetic. I'm like, "I can't bring you desserts." Who cares, dude? She's blind and old as fuck. Just give her whatever she wants. I'm obviously gonna bring it to her. Okay, cool. And they asked for, one asked for a hamburger on a bun, plain, and one asked for a cheeseburger with no bun, and I was like I don't know how to get that to you." Wendy's burgers are actually really good. I'm a McDonald's girl for life, personally. They come with, like, they come with some things though that I don't really care for. Oh. Yeah. Okay. That's all. Duly noted. Good pickles, though. Oh my God, Bridget. Oh my God, what? It's not on my list to talk about, but I just rem- I just remembered. I have to tell. Wait, the news and Wheel of Fortune were on last night when I was visiting them. Sorry, continue. It had to do with pickles. That's the only reason why I said it. Okay, go. I went to Monument. Love Monument. Me too, but I, like, have never really, like, sat at the bar, so I got, I got a bar perch. They have a pi- a Grillo's pickle martini- Yeah that I did not know existed. Oh. It is the best drink I've had in my entire life. I'm not kidding. It has sparked a martini- Oh rating in my notes now. Number one. Also, you can make it spicy. Number two. That one's number two. Ah. I haven't, I haven't stopped thinking about it. Me and John texted about it, like, four times this week. New hyperfixation. Will never recover. Never. Okay, continue. No, that's all. If you like pickles, get your fucking ass to Monument. This is unsponsored content. Have you been watching anything, reading anything, doing anything- that you wanna share with the class? Watch and read and do it. I've been trying to watch the back of my eyelids, however, it's not really going as I would like. No, it is not. Can I tell you what happened to me today? Obviously. That's kind of what this whole thing is. On the side of what I've watched or whatever, 'cause I have something to say about something I watched, and it's gonna take me a 10-minute tangent. So just- Okay get down. I'm buckled in. I- I'm already set So you- You've made margaritas. So you know how I got a new job, right? Yes. So I saw somebody from my old office today, and I was like, "How's it going?" And he said, "You know..." This is what he said to me. This is my legacy in my old office. You know, it doesn't really smell like toast anymore, you know? And I, I just, it's not right not seeing you with your chicken salad toast every day. It doesn't smell like chicken salad and toast anymore in the office, and that's really sad." I am being remembered as the chicken salad toast girl, and that's it. And that's your legacy. And that's my legacy, not the four years I spent with this place, baking- Not the joy remembering birthdays actually- The decorations actually working. The parties you threw. You were the party planning committee? No, the chicken salad toast. She looks unamused, everybody. Like, imagine. And I was like, "Oh, thanks. Have a great day." And you too, kind sir. And you too. I know we did our whole Books to Movie episode that one time, and everybody hated it- Ugh and that was fine. However, you know how strongly I feel about books to movies. It's, they all suck, and I hate them all. I- you've probably seen on TikTok that people are talking about it, d- literally TikToking talking about it. I read this book series, like, y- a couple year... Too many, not enough years ago. Off-campus. Yes, yes. They... I'm getting there. But I, it was my- Oh, boy like a hyperfixation of mine, okay? It's, like, probably seven or eight books at this point. It's spiraled since then. And they, I knew that they were making an, a Amazon Prime adaptation, and I was following along secretly, being a weirdo, w- wanting to know who they cast. And I was like, okay, I'm feeling indifferent about it. I'm feeling okay about it. And so obviously I was sacked the day that it came out. I watched, I watched the whole thing in a day. I was up till like 4:00 in the morning. Like, I could not stop. I'm a woman obsessed. And listen, you don't have to read the books, obviously. It's a cringey show. But let me tell you, there's a difference between watching a cringe thing and reading a cringe thing. Like, when you're reading it, it's not really, it doesn't hit the same. It's not really as cringe 'cause I guess you make it up in your mind, and your brain just wouldn't let you do that. Right. However- There is, of course, cringe moments in the show. Like, don't get me wrong. It's like a typical college- Right romance- Right ick. I c- I ha- couldn't recommend it more. I love it. It's so good. And also, the characters actually look like they are in the book. Of course, you know, there's the one or two that, like, don't exist, and they put in to be more inclusive. Whatever, it's fine. But you can't make up characters. You just can't do it. You can't make 'em up. Y- that's a weird hill to die on. You can't just make 'em up. They're not in the book. Yes, you can. I don't, I don't believe in that. I just don't. And only one of the main characters doesn't look anything like it. Well, two, but it's okay. E- everything's great. I feel very confident about this book to show transfer, and I think that everyone should watch it. Great. It'll make you feel alive. Okay. And that's how I feel. Oh my God, I had a crazy story on Saturday actually of something that happened to me. Well, not me directly, but me and Erin. Okay. And also Fiona, but whatever. I went out, 'cause it was the day that the sun was out and everyone started defrosting from their caves and coming out. And- It was gorgeous this weekend. Stunning. Perfect weather. So we got some perch in the Seaport perching around, pish-posh perching. Had a couple of beveraginos in the sun. It was stunning. Okay? We go to this new place, which like, I fucking hate a new place in the city. I hate it. When something opens, everyone ruins it. It's over... there's humans everywhere. You have to wait at least like two months to even go. Whatever. So we- That line in Southie, I'm like, "What are we doing?" What line? There's like an- the outdoor brewery thing- Oh, Parson? that people wait an hour, like- Oh, yeah hours long. I didn't even go last summer. I think that's when it opened. Refused to go. Will not wait. I will- No, it's absolutely insane to me. Why? Will not wait. It's not worth the wait. No. No. Also, everything there is probably like 20 bucks a drink. Right. And, I digress. So I went to this place Rocco's in the Seaport, and it's like a new sports bar, whatever. We kept seeing on the, you know, the men are attractive. We're trying to get Fiona a husband, you know. We'll just try it out, right? We, there's a line, obviously. When the sun is still up, there's a line. But so Fiona knew somebody that w- had a birthday party and had a part of it rented out, so we just like w- said we were going for the party and we went in. It was okay. It was packed. The, you know, a great atmosphere. Didn't eat or anything. I liked the music. You could hear the music. They were playing a lot of oldies, like, Old time rock and roll like that. Love that. You know me, I'll pop my pussy to that. Yeah, that's great. A lot of men. Mm. A lot of men. A lot of icky men, like the kind that are just like, you know they're, they were in a frat at some point. Little- Just like- A man you can't trust your drink with hanging out behind the DJ stand like, "Ugh," look at like f- looking for women. Ew. Like- Ew. Ew. Yeah, very- You're giving me the ick by the way you're looking at me right now. Yeah, no, it's extremely icky. So w- but we just ignored them. Like, who really like gives a fuck? Who cares? Yeah. One of the waitresses like Erin actually really knew. Like, she's from the South Shore. I like know of her, I don't really like know her personally. But at one point we were like getting ready to leave, and we're pushing through the crowd, you know, just trying to get out of there, and she, the waitress, comes by and she has a tray full of like fucking 10 drinks. So we back up, and we like all go along the wall where the, where you ring in the food is, like the Plazie or whatever the fuck it's called. Yeah. And a guy who was literally shorter than me, I swear to God, comes up and goes, "You can't stand here." He's a waiter. And we're like, "Oh, we know." Like, "Sorry, we, we just were waiting for her to go by." He goes, "Don't care." And I think Erin- Excuse me? I think... Oh, he might've said, "Don't fucking care," or something along those lines. And I obviously turn around, and Erin turns around, and I don't know what she said, but I think it was something along the lines of like, "What great hospitality you have." Something like not nice, but like also kind of warranted He turns around and was like, "You dumb fucking bitch." Oh. And I go, "Excuse you." Fiona couldn't hear him, but, like, saw our reaction, and she thought, he had said, "See you next Tuesday," so she was like, "Excuse me?" And he was like he was like- Oh "I'll kick you out," or something. And Erin was like, "I'll leave." Like, what do you mean? So he starts like, "I swear," like, foaming at the mouth. And the best way I can describe it, because it's again, we're not, you know, a visual where He's like, "Ugh." Like, you know when someone's freaking out like that? Yeah. And he g- points out one of the bouncers, who I swear to God, bouncers being, in a, are a cult in Boston. I have seen this man working at both Locos before. Like, I have seen this man. I think they just travel to the new place like nomads. I don't fucking know. So this bouncer turns around, and he's like, "Them, them two. Them two out. Eh." And me and Erin are like, "We're going. It's fine." And she's like, "You wanna kick me out? I, I'm going," or something like that. And this poor bouncer, he's just like He just sighs. Like, he doesn't want- He's like, "Please, for the love of Christ." And so we're like, "We- it's fine. We're going," but, like, what the fuck? I, of course, we get outside. I write a very cruel review on Google Reviews of this establishment, because it was well-deserved and I thought that was very rude. But yeah, horrible. I will say the ambiance was great. I don't know if they're just new and need to get their shit together, but that man was a fucking asshole. I can't imagine ever just even looking at a woman and being like, "You dumb fucking bitch," for anything. I mean, it's just so harsh for W- the, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Yeah. For the record, th- that response is not ever okay. No, never. He's just outta line on every- We're like, "Excuse- Yeah, fuck that excuse you." Last thing- You're a grown-ass man. Shut up. No, exactly. Actually, he definitely wasn't. He was l- definitely, like, a young whippersnapper. He was shorter- I don't care he was shorter than me, I swear. Whatever. Sit on him. I could've smushed him, for sure. For sure. I wish you had. I know. I, I said I wish I got his name in my Google review. Go take him at a gander. I had a funny interaction where I was being... So I can say it because this will be after this. My friend had a bebe, and his christening, dunking, baptism, whatever the fuck, is this weekend. Dunking. His dunking. His dunking. Yeah, it literally has Got it his dunking on my calendar. Mm-hmm. Uh, Benny Gets Dunked is actually what it says on my calendar. Great. But her... Obviously, we all, we went to Catholic school, so, like, we've had the same deacon forever. We- same i- it's the same deacon that married her, and, like, her family's gone to the same church forever. He was our, like our, our high school deacon, whatever. So I was like, "Okay, wouldn't it be really nice..." I ha- got him, like, rosary beads, like, for his, like, first rosary beads or whatever, which, like, no one actually uses them, but everyone just uses it as, like, a symbolic thing. Like, it's just, like, nice and, like, memor- memorabilia, whatever. Mm. So I was like, "How do... Maybe I'll get it blessed by deacon." Like, that would be, like, kinda cute. Mm. Like, and, like, thoughtful. Mm-hmm. Whatever. Her parents still go there. So I was like, "How the fuck do you get in ta- contact with a deacon?" I'm not gonna, like, post up outside the church. Do you email? I would literally burst into flames if I entered the vicinity. So then I'm like, what is it, like 1-800-DEACON-J? Like, he, does he have a phone number? Like, do I go to the rectory? So I just ended up texting Erin and was like, By chance, do you happen to have deacon's phone number or have contact information?" And she immediately sends contact that says Deacon Joe, and she goes, "He texts." Oh. I had to text Deacon Joe. Deacon Joe. I texted him. What was he up to? What's his- I said, "Hi, Deacon. It's Colleen, Spellman alum and member of- Not the alumnus. But just like if you had told me I was texting a deacon this week, Like, he actually hasn't answered me yet, but it's fine. But I was laughing- That's even better that he hasn't responded 'cause Aaron goes, "It will probably take him a few business days to answer, it's like he's busy with the Lord, he can't pick up." Like, you know? Like- He takes two to three business days to get back? The Lord comes first. I mean, he's out here doing dunkings, he's doing marriages. Like, he's doing it all. Divorces. And he has a wife and kids, 'cause he's a deacon. So yeah, just like having a weird week, you know? Has she ever sent, like, shared his contact, said, "Deacon Joe, h- he does texting. He texts." I'm like, "Okay." Can't wait. Let me just call, call your church, call up the Lord. Can't wait to be pen pals with Deacon Joe. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And that's really all I have. The Lord comes first. I want you to know that my notes today say, "The chicken salad, off-campus, Rocco's seaport kick out, I have been defrosting, me texting a priest." That's what my notes today say. And that was my way of trying to remember everything. I mean, you wrapped it up quite nicely. You covered it all. Thank you. There's Cinnamon Toast Crunch dip at Dairy Queen, and that's, that's where I'll leave you. Wow. That's where I'll leave you on- Do we need that? Do- I think we might need that. I didn't get it, 'cause I was really feeling like this- It's giving dunkaroos. Yes. Yeah, no, I've heard it's very good, but I did not get it. I did get a cookie dough blizzard, because that's what my heart, heart called for. Mm. It did hit, it was gone within a second, like I mentioned, did some things to my stomach that I don't think I should be sharing. 'Cause let me tell you, I'm, I'm an almond milk girlie or an oat milk girlie, and I do like cheese, but like I haven't had milk or like dairy things in like a very long time, and I think my body was very confused by it. It said, "Bitch, what the fuck did you just do in under 30 seconds? That's some damage." Isn't that crazy how our bodies have just like rejected dairy- Yeah, she was- as we've evolved? She was, it was going like this, I could hear it. It was going... I was like, "Oh, calm down now, now." She seems upset. She's very upset with me. She has a lot to say. I'm not down for her, I'm just not. Anywho, tell me about you I've been watching St Denis Medical. It's on Netflix and Peacock. Hmm. It's so fucking good. It's so underrated. Okay. I don't know why more people aren't talking about it. It's if The Pit and The Office had a baby. It's, like, filmed like The Office. Hmm. Mm-hmm. But it's in a hospital. I've seen it advertised, but I haven't bit. It's so good. It's 20-minute episodes. There's, like, 17, 18 episodes a season. It was renewed for Season 3. If you just need light, fluffy... It's wicked funny. I love it. Okay. So- I'm glad, I'm glad you found something that you love and cherish, Bridget. Why did you say it like that? 'Cause I was just... It was nice. Do you wanna volunteer with me next week? Yeah, where? I have to go to Everitt Food Pantry at 8:00 on a Saturday morning. Okay. Yeah, I'll do that. I g- I'm, I'm gonna bring my volunteer employees. My squad. Oh, yeah, your squad. You're gonna be with the squad. I can't wait. Okay, cool. Okay, great. I'll get you a Be A Good Human shirt. Oh, yeah. I would love that. See, you're giggling. I'm like, "Yay." They're, they're in my car. I'll give you one. Uh, I went to the movies. Mm-hmm. And similar to you, I am a tough reviewer of books to movies. And a couple months ago, I read Project Hail Mary. Oh, yeah. And I- Oh, I didn't know it was a book. Yeah, it was a book first. Oh, I didn't know that. Andy Weir. And I was excited about the movie 'cause I love Ryan Gosling. Mm-hmm. I do not think he can do any wrong, and I really hope he doesn't. I hope that ages well because every time I say that, it seems to age poorly. Someone's either gonna die or do something fucked up. Maybe do neither. No, not Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling's in a, a league of his own. He's untouchable. So when they came out with, like, he was the main character, I was really excited, but I was like, he... In the movie, I won't give it away, but Rocky is a main character, and I was like, "How will they do Rocky? How will this all work?" It was fucking amazing. Really? It was... I immediately put it on the perfect movie list. I bought it. I'm so glad I saw it in theaters, too. Like, the music. It was funny and light-hearted and wholesome. I have not left the movie theater feeling that good in a very long time. Okay. I loved it. And if you don't know what it's about, basically the sun is dying, and they create Project Hail Mary, 'cause it's a Hail Mary- Mm-hmm to send up astronauts to figure out what's going on and send samples back to Earth because it is our last hope, and it's a Hail Mary. Got it. And he is on the ship, and so he wakes up in space. Oh. And he has no memory- Oh of what's going on. So I can't recommend it enough. I know I say that a lot. I absolutely loved it. If you just wanna, like, watch a nice movie at home, that, that's it. I read The Secret of Secrets. It's Robert Langdon, so it's... Do you know Da Vinci Code- Mm-hmm and, like, Angels and Demons? Yep. It's that series. It's it's Dan Brown. It's so fucking good. He just came out with the next one. I loved it. It was one of those, like, when it ends, I'm sad that it ended- Yeah and I, like, go into a hangover, like a book hangover. I hate those. Those are the worst. I went into such a slump. I was like, "Oh my God, I'm so sad." Arguably worse than a regular hangover. D- could be, 'cause it's a sad one. Yeah. Hangover's like, "Ugh, I did this to myself." Yeah. That c- the, the book hangover is like, "Will I ever find this again?" Which you will. The answer is you will. No, you don't. Colleen, yes you do. Things we never got over, I never got over. You're so fucking dramatic. The Secret of Secrets, it just came out. I listened to it on Audible. It literally made me buy one of the other Dan Brown books and reread it, so now I'm reading the one that happens in Washington DC. Anyway, my last note before I get into the topic of the day, can we please stop making celebs do insane PR interviews for their movies and TV shows? Like? Okay, so, like, Hot Ones is probably the only exception because I love that sh- show- I love Hot Ones and I love Sean. Yeah. Like, I just love him as a host. Podcast, fine. Apex just came out. It's a scary movie. It's with Charlize Theron, who's like the most beautiful human that's ever existed- Yeah and Taron Egerton. They had them climb a rock wall because in the movie there's climbing, and they had to answer questions about each other as they climbed the rock wall. We could just sit them down. And there's just so many, like, Vanity Fair questionnaires and there's, like, an entire cast sitting there that's like, "What's my favorite snack on set?" And it, social media is ruining us. Like, TikTok has ruined us. Sometimes I think that and sometimes I don't. Sometimes I think- Oh, no we're the best generation of social media. It's so funny. Oh, I am fully straddling both sides of the line at all times. Okay, cool. Just checking. There are- Just checking TikTok comment sections that have had me on the ground saying, "There's no way this app is for free. There's simply no way this app is for free." D- do you know what my favorite trend is right now? Tell me. It's, it's like when reading my children's my students' texts or my students' messages in Opera. The AI? Yes. No. I reposted one, I think yesterday. I was in tears. I'm just gonna play it because- Yeah, I was gonna say play it it's not visual so I'm allowed. Have you seen the girl who's in his bed in the Girlfriends on the Way Home and the whole thing is in, like, in AI? Oh. Yes. I was rolling on the floor laughing. Hold on. This one is, Wait, wait This one is- Put up the volume hold on. Turning things my first graders say into a gospel song. Who posts it? Some person Lo. I don't know. Some random person. I know, but like say their... So people can go find it. It just says Lo. L-O? Yeah, Lo. Wow, great. Okay. Search up L-O. Give it a, give it a whirl. Okay, ready? needs to be- bop. I just find myself like, oh. Yeah, you danced that whole time. Yeah. It's so good. Oh, that's great. We get that shit for free. That's crazy. The one I was talking about is the girl who realizes she's the other woman while she's in his bed. Oh, girl, I am in this man's bed Said you were studying, so about that. Please don't piss me off Come through on his phone. The contact name got a red heart in it Help, help, help, help And guys, it keeps going. I know. It's pretty amazing. It's so funny, and everyone's been lip-syncing it. It kills. I laugh every time. So this is what I mean- Help, help like, help, help, Deja. I, it, it's so fucking funny. Who the fuck thought of that also? I just mean when promoting a movie, they just... I, I, imagine being so wealthy and so famous and someone is like, "For this part of promoting," which you normally just had to, like, go on Jimmy Fallon and do a five-minute bit. Yeah. You now have to climb a rock wall. You now have to eat wings that get spicier by the second- I love all that that will rip your internal organs apart- for the next three business days. I love when people say, "What?" You won't be able to feel your face. And you have to answer super personal questions. I can't feel my face when I'm with you, Bridget. But I love it. Okay. I have an intrusive thought right now. Okay. I just wanna touch my big toe with your big toe. Oh, go ahead. I've been thinking about it for like- Fucking do it I've been thinking about it for like 10 minutes. Once. Boop. Okay, now you're done. Boop. No. Ah! You stuck another one in there. It was just a little shwip shwip. Okay. Do you need to pee before we get started? No. Wait, why? Because I don't need to pee. You always have to pee. Well, I've been sitting for like two seconds. I just need to say one thing. I'm drinking tequila. Goodbye. Was that to John? Yes. Okay. Colleen made us margaritas, which isn't normal. We normally don't do that. We really haven't drank the last couple of sessions. Yes, because I've been homicidal. And also, like, wine doesn't make me feel good. We were talking about this earlier. No. Sometimes two glasses of wine just, like, makes you feel like shit. How about this? How about what? How about we keep just trying a cocktail every time we record, and then maybe you'll find your new cocktail? I would, yeah. Okay. Only when we're, like, in the mood to drink, drink, though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which, yeah. Not, like, every time we're like, "Cocktail." No, no. I was gonna say, every other week- No we're getting fucked up. I can't function that also. No, no. We simply can't. I'm down with that. We try a, we try a new cocktail every once in a while. Mm-hmm. Okay. I'd be down. I made dinner, you get the booze. That, it just works out so well. You feed me. One second, I need to adjust. Okay. I feel like I'm a little too far. 'Cause you know what it is? When I sit I'm usually end up like this, but as time goes by, I slowly... And it's not my fault, Bridget. It's just not. Okay. Okay. 'Cause- Okay it tastes like a Skinny Marg. It's so good. I'm so glad to hear that. Okay. Are you ready? Is there murder? Oh, yeah. Is there death and unhappiness? Oh, yeah. And darkness? Uh-huh. Yeah, ha. So I picked this story today because it is a cold case. Ooh. Which I know you love. Ooh. Ah. And it's been on my list to do for a very long time, and I haven't really jumped into a juicy case in a while. No, you haven't. You haven't Ashley Flower'd us in a while. So today we are talking about Jimmy Hoffa. I don't think I know who that is. Oh, girl. Or maybe I do. I don't know. We'll find out. Ba, da, da. So today my sources are Killing Jimmy Hoffa on Amazon Prime, The Sinister Disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa, which is the Buzzfeed Unsolved guys on YouTube, and if you want to, you can watch The Irishman which is a three-hour movie. It's very good. It's not fully accurate, but it's very good. It's very long. So let's go back in time- Okay to July 30th, 1975. Mm. Jimmy Hoffa is one of the most powerful men in America, and he leaves his house in suburban Detroit for a meeting, and by this point, Jimmy Hoffa has made a lot of enemies. Oh. The mafia. Oh. The federal government. Oh. Political figures, rival union leaders. Basically e- everyone either feared him or wanted his power. So no one really fucks with Jimmy Boy? No. Or they just envy him? Yes. Got it. That afternoon, he drives to a restaurant, okay, and it's called the Machus Red Fox. Okay? He's supposed to be meeting with some mob connected teamsters to settle ongoing tensions, 'cause tensions are v high. Okay. And they stand him up. Ooh. And at around 2:45, witnesses see him call his wife, and they see him standing in a parking lot frustrated because the meeting didn't happen, and then a car pulls up. Mm. It's a Mercury Marquis. There are three men inside, two in the front and one in the back. Okay. Hoffa gets into the car seemingly willingly. He seems to know them, and he disappears forever. There is no body. There is no murder weapon. There is nothing. That is the last sighting of hi- of him ever. In four- He's swimming with the fishes decades people have searched fields, barns, pools, factories, stadiums- Huh which we'll get into, and somehow one of the most famous men in America just vanished without a trace. Okay. So today we're gonna talk about, like, who he was, how he gained power, and the theories around his disappearance. This story is so crazy. Like, I, I started to go on YouTube, and I started... You know I love watching a documentary and listen to podcasts and kinda get my sources from a bunch of different places. The podcasts are, like, 20 episodes long. Like, everything, e- each part of this could be its own episode. That's crazy. I'm gonna give you the skinny margarita version. Oh, I love the skinny version. My attention deficit- E- yeah, I'm gonna give you the TLDR. I am cutting out a lot though. So, like, if this interests you, I highly recommend you go watch, listen. It is fucking crazy. I wanna look... I, I need to envision him. Can I look him up really quick? Yes, you can. Okay. Oh, okay. Got it, got it, got it. Jimmy Hoffa was born in Indiana in 1913, and he is from a rough coal mining town where Life is incredibly hard. Mm. His dad dies when he's young. He's seven. Okay. His dad dies of, I believe, lung cancer. His mother raises the family alone, and she got by by doing the neighbors' laundry, and that was just to survive. That wasn't to have extra. This is not a peaceful childhood. This town is your salt of the earth, blue collar. We're talking coal miners, bootleggers. Love that. It has a ton of poverty, unfortunately. Oh, never mind. Violence. The Ku Klux Klan is there. I mean, it's just an environment where Hoffa basically grows up where survival depended on toughness. Like, people were throwing fisticuffs in the streets. He's a scrappy man. Very scrappy. I love that word. And I think that shaped... I do, too. I think that shaped almost everything about him. That's how he leads his- Everything's survival, and everything is just, like, how tough and aggressive you can be. Mm-hmm. Because that's how he grew up. Throughout his entire life, Hoffa seemed to believe in one thing: nobody was gonna give hardworking people anything willingly. Nothing was out of the goodness of your heart. You had to take it. Okay. So in 1924, his family moves to Detroit, and they're looking for better opportunities, but unfortunately, Detroit is chaos because do you know Detroit and automobiles, like, go hand in hand? Did you know that? No. Okay. Detroit is, like, the home of where cars are built, and trucks. Did not know that. So it's exploding economically, because e- everyone wants a job there because they know it's exploding. Remember the gold rush? It's kinda like that. For cars. For cars. It's also one of the most violent cities in America at the time. There were organized crime groups everywhere. There were Italian gangs, Jewish gangs, Polish gangs, bootleggers, labor racketeers. And then, if things aren't bad enough, the Depression hits. Oh. Oh, no. I hate when that happens. Detroit, Detroit gets devastated. Half the city is unemployed. There are bread lines everywhere, like, lines for bread. Oh, people are like- Yes "I can barely pa- pay for that, and I- Yes gotta wait in line"? Thousands of people show up for a single job opening, and somehow Jimmy Hoffa gets a warehouse job unloading crakes for, crates for Kroger. So the working conditions are horrific. We're talking crazy long hours. They're getting terrible pay. They're treated like machines. You know they were breathing in so much asbestos. Like, there is not a single good condition about anything that's happening. Now, in 1932, he's like 18 or 19 years old. He, Jimmy Hoffa, organizes a strike. And this becomes the foundation of his entire career because the strike works. One of these days I'm gonna do the newsies, and I'm gonna talk about this. But it works, and the workers get improvements, and Hoffa realizes something incredibly important, that organized labor has power. Mm-hmm. And he learns that nothing comes without a fight. They're not gonna give it to you. You have to fight back. Yep. So when I say fight, I mean literal violence. That's what, that, that's not nowadays- I love that where you're like, "I went to a corporate HR meeting that was super polite, but I used strong verbiage." We're talking like, "I'll see you in the fucking streets, and I have a bat- I love that and brass knuckles." Nothing arouses me more than that. It was brutal. People were literally getting beaten up in the streets. And thr- Hoffa thrived in this environment. He was fearless, he was aggressive, he was charismatic, and he was very strategic. He was smart. And people either loved or hated him, and sometimes both. Okay. So now here's where the story gets crazy. Okay. Because Hoffa realized unions needed muscle and organized crime realized unions meant money and influence- Mm-hmm the two worlds start overlapping. Okay. In one of Hoffa's earliest documented mob connections came from a former girlfriend, her name was Sylvia. Okay, Miss Sylvia. And Sylvia, walk with me on this journey here, later dated a bootlegger named Frankie "Three Fingers" Coppola. I love him. Three fingers? I, I mean, it's, it's like of course he's in the mafia. Like, of fucking course he is. He's Frankie "Three Fingers." Like, obviously. Through Coppola, Hoffa became connected with Detroit mob figures, including a Sicilian gangster named Santo Perone, and Hoffa began using organized crime strategically. Okay. If a business used violence against workers, then they would use the mob to apply pressure the other way around. Okay. Fight fire with fire. And apparently this started because in 1941, there was a legit turf battle with rivals in Detroit in the Teamsters, and Hoffa hired the mob to get rid of their rivals, and it works, but now the mob owns Hoffa. Got it. Because they did him a favor. You can't, it's like making a deal with the devil. You can't make a deal with the mob. But to be fair, a lot of the workers genuinely adored Hoffa because their lives improved dramatically. Truck drivers earned more money, benefits improved, their pensions improved. That's what makes Hoffa really complicated because, yes, he is corrupt, and yes, he is not using all of his powers for good, but he also genuinely fought for the working people, and both of those things can be true at the same time. So he's, like, here for the blue collar guys, and his view on wor- the world is, like, "You gotta do whatever it takes, and I will do whatever it takes for that." Got it. Our dads would have loved him, you know what I mean? Yes. Like, he's one of the... The man of the people, you know what I mean? Yeah. Good energy. One of the biggest turning points in Hoffa's life was his war with Robert F. Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy. Really? And when I say war, these two men fucking loathed each other publicly. Like, they- That's not the man... Wait, that's not the man that wants to take away my Diet Coke, is it? No. Okay, cool. Just checking. That's RFK Jr. Is that his- That's his son. Ugh, okay. Whatever. Yeah. Bobby Kennedy saw Hoffa as the face of corruption in America, organized crime, union corruption, abuse of power. Like, "You are everything that's wrong." Meanwhile, Hoffa's like, "You fucking privileged, rich, elite nepo-baby who is pretending to understand the working class, you little twat. Get, get out of my face." You ain't, you ain't been here. The hatred between them is legendary. In the late 1950s, The Senate launched investigations into labor corruption through what became known as the McClellan hearings. Don't worry about it. But basically, Jimmy Hoffa becomes the star villain. They're like, "It's him. He's the problem." Kennedy aggressively investigated him, questioned him publicly, and made taking down Jimmy Hoffa his personal mission. At one point, Hoffa allegedly tried to plant a spy inside Kennedy's office, like a mole. That's crazy. They, they fucking hate each other. It honestly- it's- it- the amount of name drops in this one documentary, it's all... The whole thing is a movie plot. Hmm. But somehow Hoffa always escapes serious consequences over, and over, and over again until eventually- Dude federal prosecutors finally succeed. And in 1967, Hoffa was convicted of jury tampering and fraud related charges. He is sentenced to 13 years in federal prison. Oh, that's a long time. And despite everything though, a huge number of working class Americans still support him. Hmm. Because they're like, "Our lives have gotten so much better. He's not just a criminal, he's the guy who fought for us the way that nobody else would or could." You know what I mean? And here we do not support him. Yeah, like, he's gonna do what needs to be done so we can pay our bills. We don't wanna know how the sausage is made. Correct. Who cares? We get the back... You know what I mean? Like, it all works out. Yeah. While all of this is happening, Hoffa also controlled something incredibly important, the Teamsters pension fund. And this, i- if you've ever seen the movie Casino, I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to our listeners, 'cause this is, like, Casino's whole theme. Basically, the mob takes out loans on the Teamster pension funds, which Jimmy Hoffa allows, and then they take that money and it funds the Las Vegas casinos. Caesars Palace, The Stardust, Tropicana, Circus Circus, and a bunch of others. So they're investing in them, question mark? No. What are they doing with them? They're taking money out of them. So m- hundreds of millions of dollars- Okay were flowing through the Teamsters pension fund, coming out and funding the casinos, and then it was going back in. So think of it like an infinity symbol. Okay. So everybody's getting a cut, though. So this is where we start to lose- I think I'm losing you in, like, what are they doing with the money at the casino? Like, what do you mean? Like, they're going and- They're funding the casinos. As in, like- And then when those open- they're going and playing games or they're giving the money? No, no, no, no. They're creating the casinos. Oh, okay, got it. Th- this is, like- Are they getting a cut of it? when Vegas is blo- Yes. Okay. But they're inclu- they're, they're giving... They're, they're probably getting more back on their return, no? Girl. Oh, they're not. No. They are getting a large cut on what's go- Oh, they themselves are taking it. Yes. Okay, I'm understanding now. Sorry. Okay. Yes. Got it. So they're- So it's not, like, for the better of the, the fund. No. No, no, no, no, no. Well, that's mean. So again, millions and millions of dollars. And according to investigators, organized crime families were profiting heavily from this. And this is why Hoffa starts to turn from a union leader to more dangerous, because he's at the center of labor, politics, organized crime, and huge amounts of money. When I tell you the Teamsters... So, like, if you don't know who the Teamsters are, I probably should have started there, they are the union. And back in the day, this is before Amazon, but imagine a world where all of the trucks stop, all of the commerce. Food, a- anything you get delivered just stops. The whole world would stop. Correct. Teamsters own 90% of transportation, and Jimmy Hoffa owns the Teamsters. So Jimmy Hoffa, it, runs America, essentially. And I, I'm like, I know that sounds insane, but I'm not kidding. Like, he has so much power, and he controls so, so, so, so much. So him now dipping in with the mob and also now with, like, casinos is not great. Over the years, investigators and writers have connected him. He has crossed over into so many conspiracy theories, it could be its own episode. Interesting. Uh, The CIA mafia plots involving Fidel Castro, theories surrounding JFK's assassination, RFK's assassination. The, again, there are so many name drops in this one documentary, you're like, "I don't even know where to begin. I don't even know where to begin with this man." Interesting. None of it was ever definitively proven, but it just shows how deeply Hoffa is intersecting between organized crime- He's swimming politics. He's in it. He is in it. So he goes to prison, right? Sure. And while he's in prison, another Teamster leader named Frank Fitzsimmons took over. Frankie Great name. Great name. And apparently, organized crime figures like him better- Hmm because he's easier to control. He's more of a lackey, where Jimmy Hoffa was aggressive. And Hoffa, in the meantime, has become obsessed with getting his position back. It's basically all-consuming. All he wants to do is, is get out and get his position back. In 1971, Richard Nixon, the hole ass president- Oh, right commutes Jimmy Hoffa's sentence and is like, "Okay, you're good. You're done." However- They have that power, question mark? Th- yes. Oh, yeah. There's one major condition. Jimmy Hoffa could not run for union office until 1980. How many, in what year did he get out? Like, how long- In 1971. His- Oh, okay, so he's fine. He can just sit for a little while. Yeah, it would be nine years. And Hoffa immediately began trying to challenge that restriction, because it's the only thing he cared about, was reclaiming the power and getting back into his seat. This becomes the beginning of the end. As it always does, the moment these men get obsessed with a thing- Like, can't you just follow the rules? it's over. Yeah. Wh- why? Why can't you just... They get, power tends to corrupt absolutely, whatever that line is. Like- I mean, it'd be one thing if he was like, "I would make a difference. These other people are not." Like, you're, yeah, getting it. No, I think they lose the plot. I think they get the power, and then they get greedy, and then it gets taken away, and it's all they want. And they get a little too big for their britches. Right. So, Jesus Christ. So now- By the mid-'70s, Hoffa has become very dangerous to almost everybody. The mob doesn't trust him. Union leaders don't trust him, trust him because they know he's working with the mob. Political figures hate him, in early July, Teamsters realize that the largest pension fund has hundreds of millions of dollars missing. Great. Two weeks later, on July 30th, 1975, Jimmy Hoffa goes to the Red Fox Restaurant outside of Detroit, where he believed he would be attending a peace meeting. The meeting allegedly involved mob-connected Teamsters. There's two Tonys involved, okay? Of course there is. Of course. Hoffa believed he could n- negotiate his way back to power. So he arrives around 2:00, and he waits. He realizes nobody's showing up. He calls his wife to complain. This is witness testimony. Okay. Calls his wife. He's like, "I got set up," whatever. He is pissed. He called a friend saying he was leaving. He was like, "I'm just not waiting anymore, I'm leaving." Mm-hmm. At around 2:45 PM, witnesses saw Hoffa near a Mercury Marquis pull up, three men inside, two guys in the front, one in the back. Hoffa appears to recognize them, seemingly gets in willingly, and again, that is the last confirmed sighting of him alive. There is a lot of suspicious behavior around this little event. One of the saddest parts, unfortunately, is about Chuck O'Brien. So Chuck O'Brien is essentially Jimmy Hoffa's surrogate son. Hoffa helps raise him. He mentors him. He treats him like family. Like- Okay they have this big falling out, though, in the 1970s because I guess Chuck was upset Jimmy didn't put him in higher places within the Teamsters. Like, he always took care of him, but he never gave him a position of power, and that bothered Chuck. Okay. So they have this falling out. Investigators later believe O'Brien was driving the car, and that's why he got in. Yikes. So he was like, "Oh, you." Right, which adds,, a layer of, like, ugh, and that's why when he saw him, he was like, "Oh, of course," 'cause he trusted him. One of the Tonys in the car, s- this is so- Tony one or Tony two? Tony one spent the entire day publicly establishing an alibi in the most suspicious way possible. This man spent hours walking around a country club, shaking hands, and asking people what time it is. Multiple people? Over and over and over again What time is it? What time is it? Do you have Alzheimer's, sir? No, he does not. The other Tony says, "I was in New Jersey playing cards with my cousin." That's, like, so weird and random. And it happened to be in the middle of a game in New Jersey. Cards with my cousin. It's just like- Also, like, that would be me. I'd be like, "I was podcasting with my cousin." I'm your alibi? God help you. No, I wouldn't do that to you. I don't feel like you would, you would crumble. I do think. You think I would crumble? As loyal as you are, I think you would crumble under, under the pressure of, like, a b- guilt and feel bad. Are you projecting a little bit maybe? No, I think that they put, put you on the stand to lie for me if I killed somebody. I would plead the fifth. No, you wouldn't. You're- Yes, I would. Uh If I killed somebody? Well, it would have to depend. That's what I'm saying. You're a good person at your core. You wouldn't, like, stand for that. You would crumble in a second. No, I wouldn't. They would deny you Diet Coke- No, my brain and you would be like, "It was her." If you came to me and was like, "I murdered somebody and I n- need you to..." I would do it, and I would li- and I would lie, and I would never tell a soul. Despite my- You've literally never kept one single secret that type of s- it's the level of secret. I have secrets. Sure. Swear. Swear on Spencer I have secrets because I can keep them. If it's something that I'm like, "Eh," it's my own judgment at that point, I can tell you. I can tell you. Who the fuck are you? You would never. You would never. No, completely disagree. I'm gonna, I'm gonna wait for this, this... I guarantee you, I'm saying this right now and I'm calling it, when this podcast comes out, Fiona will listen without me telling her to listen, and she will text me and agree with me without me saying anything, unprompted. Okay. Well, Erin will agree with me. Okay. Noted. Let's shake on it. And I'm not gonna say a single word to her. Great. Okay, cool. There are also theories that... Well, we'll talk about the theories, okay? But basically the biggest mystery is what happened to his body. Chuck O'Brien, they find the car. They find the Marquis, right? Okay. Jimmy Hoffa's hair is in the car, but this is before dinna. The DNA. DNA back then, who knows? But they also could have just easily been like, "He's been in the car before." That doesn't mean he was there on that day, right? Like, we're, we're pals. We kiki. Right. The car had been recently cleaned, so Chuck claimed that he had been transporting salmon, 40 pounds of salmon- As one does from a warehouse to a, a union guy's house, and the salmon spilled blood in the backseat, and so the car had to be cleaned. German shepherds found Jimmy Hoffa's scent in the backseat and in the trunk. Hmm. Now, again, there have been countless theories. Let's talk about a few more. I just don't understand how the German shepherd sniffing in the trunk is not a dead... That doesn't stand up in court. Yeah, I don't know. Interesting. Okay. The mafia had him killed, right? Hoffa has deep ties to the organization, and they do say that at this point, to negotiate his way back into power, he became a mole himself and was working with the FBI. Hmm. And if he gave them information, then they would give him the power back. And this has been corroborated- But how would the FBI have power over the Teamsters? I mean- Yeah. Come on, girl. All right. Come on, girl. All right. And mob leaders, obviously having worked with him for years, know he knows where all the bodies are buried, literally and figuratively. Hmm. And so he's unpredictable, he's dangerous, he'll do whatever he needs to do to get back to power, and he's gotta go. He's gotta go. And the two Tonys are from the mob. Okay. So, like, if a car pulls up and Chuck's driving and the two Tonys are in the car and he gets in The next one is the Irishman theory, which is the, the movie. It's based on claims by Frank Sheeran. He was a mob hitman who suppos- supposedly confessed before dying, like, "I did it. I was the one." He personally shot Hoffa in a Detroit house. They took him to a house like five minutes away, and then they immediately had him cremated. A lot of people are sus about this. He has been pressed about this a few times. He came out with this and was writing a book, so people were kinda like, "Okay, for clout." 100%. That's... Normal people that would've done that slash are in the mobster mafia space, like, are humble, question mark? They don't wanna be like- Well, y- that's, so that's what the FBI was like. They're humble. "Why would you just come out and be like-" But not clout chasing ..."It was me." Like, what are you doing? Are you trying to fly under the radar? I do think it's likely. I th- I think it's both. Really? I don't think it was Frank Sheeran, but I think that the two Tonys and Chuck took him to a house. Well, let me explain the other ones. Yeah. He's buried under Giants Stadium. This is what my mother believes and we're gonna call her in a second, 'cause I told her we would call her. Hoffa's body was buried beneath the old Giants Stadium in New Jersey. This became such a huge legend that Jimmy Hoffa is under the stadium basically became like a national joke. Searchers never found any evidence of this. Why is that? I think it's just fun. Just for funsies? It was being built, and there was like lots of cement. Oh, okay. Got it. So I think they were just like, "Oh yeah." "They, they tossed him in there while they were building it." May his spirit... May his spirit live on with the Giants. Roll around third base. Wait, is it Giants Baseball? Third base. It's Giants Baseball? 30 yard line? Oh, it's football. Football. Oh, sorry. It took me a second there. I'm having a mo. Mets, Yankees? Oh, right. Oh my God, I'm going to a Yankees game. Giants, Jets? Oh, why? It's a throw at Yankees game, but still. Oh, okay. Well, as long as it's- I don't wanna go to Yankee Stadium though. Ew They say it's beautiful. I just like- They don't have Fenway Franks. They don't have Fenway Franks. They don't have the charm. It doesn't have the museum like feel that Fenway does. That's all. It has like a 2020 feel because it's like brand fucking new. Well, that's fucking weird. So your seats will be more comfortable, but at what cost? Yeah, 100%. I don't wanna sit my ass down. Who likes baseball, respectfully? Those bastards. Anyway, sorry. He was crushed, cremated, or destroyed. Some people say he went through an industrial meat grinder, that he w- went right to a crematorium- That's what I would do or that he was crushed in a junkyard. Some also say he was dumped in some sort of landfill. But like the fact that there is not an ounce of his body anywhere, like s- one- Or one human being that slipped. Right. He was buried at random construction sites, so this is another one of, like, he was chopped up. Like w- Separated there's one where he was like shot at a horse farm, and then like... It, I mean, over the last five decades they have legitimately searched for him everywhere. Everyone agrees though that Hoffa was most certainly murdered. Like, no one is questioning. I- it's who was it and where did his body go? I personally believe that Chuck was in the front seat driving- Yeah and the two Tonys were in the back, and the mob was like, "He's a liability." And the political people and the teamsters who didn't like him just let the mob do their thing. Yeah. I think he was taken to a house, I think he was shot and killed, and then I think he was immediately cremated. That's what I personally think. That's what I think. And I think it just comes down to the fact that he knew too much, he wanted too much power, he was really dangerous to everybody involved. He was doing j- he was doing the most. He was doing the most, and he got greedy, and it was his downfall. And so that's what makes Jimmy Hoffa so fascinating is he spent his entire life believing he could outsmart everyone around him, and for decades he did. And he outmaneuvered rivals, and he got really rich and really famous. Like, he was legitimately famous at one point. He survived investigations. He built enormous power off of nothing. He clawed his way up. But eventually, the systems that helped him rise, like the organized crime, the corruption, the fear, the intimidation, like, those backroom deals, are what took him out. And so, like I said, nearly 50 years later, one of the most famous men in America is still missing. No body, no closure, just theories. And I bet somewhere right now, there's a man in New Jersey like, "My great uncle killed Jimmy Hoffa." I was gonna say, are his people even still alive? And so, yeah. Yeah. Chuck, Chuck and Tony and Tony are still alive? They have to be fucking fossils. Did he have children? 'Cause he had a wife. He had two kids. He had a wife and two kids. James and Barbara. Come on, Barbara. Okay. Wait, we're gonna call my mom. Okay. Hello? Hi, Mom. We're talking about... You're on the pod. You're live on the pod. Oh, you're kidding. So, so behave yourself. Okay, I'll see what I can do. Okay. W- what do you think happened to Jimmy Hoffa, honestly? Okay. Where does Body go though? You think so? Well, do you think he was shot? Absolutely. Absolutely Been debunked Okay, 'cause you said that forever Debunked. I know, and that's what everybody said, but however, they did the stadium over in 2010, and once they did the stadium over, they used infrared devices to see if there were any bones or bodies, and nothing was ever found. And the truth be told I think that most people thought somebody from inside, meaning prison, federal, would then come clean, but they believe he was killed within, you know- Minutes miles- Yeah from where he was. Right. And they took him right away, immediately. But it was all about, it's all about money, and he, he used the pension fund for the Teamsters to help Vegas blow up their, their life. Yeah. So Vegas is what it is today because Hoffa used money that wasn't his for other things. And so that's a whole lot of money for a whole lot of people, and somebody wanted a piece of the pie, and so they took him out. This is the other thing with RFK. Oh yeah, they hated each other, right? Yeah, only because when John F. Kennedy was running for, for president against President Ni- Nixon, who was vice president at the time. You know I feel about presidents. I know. You know all the US presidents. Robert Kennedy, as in his brother- Yeah was attorney general, and he said, "I'm coming after him. He's an animal. He's not the people we like. He doesn't belong in society." So they were enemies, so he backed Nixon. So let's- Ah fast-forward. So m- Hoffa backs Nixon. Not only does he back him, but he gets sentenced to 13 years for, you know, various things like, you know, simple, you know, major crimes, but, you know, that's just the way they lived. Yeah. He gets 13 years, but Nixon, once he becomes president, after he serves five-year sentence, and this is really was his demise. After he fir- serves the five years of the 13, Nixon pardons him. Yeah. No, I went over it. I, I talked about it. Okay, so he gets released, and he now wants to earn his way back to the big dog at Teamsters, and those who didn't like him or have the position now didn't want him anywhere near there. Yeah. So, so that, well, that's your enemy of your enemy. Yeah. That's how it works. Well, friends to all, friends to no one time, type of thing. Oh, that's right. No, you just, What do they say? The Italians have a saying about keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. Right. Right. So there's a reason for that because when you live that kind of lifestyle, you gotta know what your enemies are doing more than your friends, but even then. So I think, I do think they never found his remains. They do believe he was cremated in an incinerator. How beautiful. And, What a way to go. What are you gonna do? If you live- You die by the sword, you die by the sword. You know, we all know how that works. I- You keep doing it but Mom, I, I said to Colleen there's no way our dads didn't love him. Oh, Dad was crazy, like talked about him like, like you know how he made you cross your, through the sign of the cross when you pass the garden? Yeah. He would've done the same when his name was mentioned, 'cause he was a teamster, and that stood for so much more than just crime. Yeah. He fought for the blue-collar guys. Right. Right. And right, and who fought for you? Right. So because, because... And let me say this in all fairness, I live off of two pensions, and if they didn't fight that fight- Yeah 70 years ago, I'd be living off, you know, crackers and cheese. You know, so I- I, it's a, it's a real mix for me. However, when you do mean, awful things- Bread and water. Yeah. It's com- he's complicated. He's co- Right. Right he's a complicated character- Right and he let the power- I wanna say this. I wanna say this. His mother was Irish- Oh, Jesus, Mom and his father was German, so he's a mutt. He's not even sure what he is. He's playing a role. Yeah. He was- He's playing a role he was, they say he was really aggressive, but he was also very charismatic. Like, he knew, he was very strategic. Right. So the, I don't know if you saw the thing about he had a, a guy who was a chauffeur for him, and that chauffeur said he never said a word to him. He never acted like he knew him. Never said his name. Never spoke. Oh. He drove him around and around, and he said, "When you weren't in it," his life, "you were not in it." Oh. So he- Oh, that's actually a wicked bummer he, he, I know, but m- so he warmed up to those, but he couldn't, who could you trust? He, he couldn't even trust his own stepson, so part of, part of the gang of four that may have had involved with luring him away from that Red Fox restaurant- Yeah Was his, what he called his foster son. Oh, Chuck. Yeah. That's right. So the O'Brien, yeah. Yeah, Chuck O'Brien. So, so that whole, you, when you're in that kind of position, you're moving that kind of money, then you're really in a dirty world. You gotta be dirty, or you're, you're a pussy, and then it's over. Mama. I'm sorry. Sorry. Let me take that back. Then you're a slight man who can't handle anything. Slight. A slight man. All right. Well, that was lessons with Carolyn. Any- anything else to add? No, no, I was just happy to hear his mother was Irish, so we at least had some cannolis. All right, Mom, we'll talk to you later. All right, bye. Bye. And that was Carolyn Wren Shannon right for you. Common. I didn't realize his... I just l- clicked on son to see what he looked like, see if he was hot. Mind you, I forgot he'd be, like, fucking 100 years old. He's 85, his son, and he's the president- His fake son. It's not his fake son? Chuck O'Brien? No, his current son. Oh, his actual son? Yeah, he's the president. Oh, I thought he had two daughters. He's the Teamsters president. Right now? Yeah, he's 85 and he still is. Wow, Colleen, that was... I didn't even look that up. I'm surprised I was like- I'm so glad you did "Wow." I was like, "Wait, who is this fossil?" American labor leader and formo- former, Is it Jimmy Hoffa Jr.? Is it a... Is he a junior? James P. Hoffa. Wow. And, and General President of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters. Wow. I do believe... I don't know who the current president is at this time, but there was a man that I worked with that was in security and has lived a lot of lives and, like, used to be the person that was, like, s- certain gangs, he was disbanding of things in different countries, and he went undercover. Whatever. Yeah. He's the current, What's the word I'm look- S- like, Secret Service, if you will, for the president of the Teamsters at this moment in time. Oh, really? So, like, he left my current job to go be his g- go-to guy, and he was like, "When I'm done with him and I get my pension, I'll come back." So he's- Wow like, literally his go-to. He's on planes with him. He's not... He goes everywhere with him. He doesn't leave his side. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. I don't know who it is. I've, I never asked, but it's never felt relevant until right now. So- Yeah, you're gonna have to ask him now- Yeah, now that you have some backstory. Yeah. I'll be asking. Well, I hope James P. Hoffa has a little bit more interaction with his, his team than, I'll see if he's still is Papa Hoffa. 'Cause it says is, but then says was. So I don't know if he's current or not. Who is the current president of Teamsters, of Teamsters Union? Sean O'Brien. That's... Yeah. Oh, so Chuck O'Brien's son? I don't know. J- that's a common last name. That's true, but imagine. Sean is a fourth-generation Teamster and General President of the International Teamsters union. Let's see. He is not Chuckie O'Brien's son. Noted. Also, I wanna say just really quickly, the investigators on the case obviously, like, put together a list of suspects who all pled the fifth and did not testify. Really? So it immediately made it a cold case. Like, no one talked. Damn. Which is crazy because they say the best way to keep a secret is to kill all the people who know it. The minute you tell a second person, it's over usually. Mm-hmm. And so the fact that three people were in that car minimum, my mom just said four, but the fact that there were three or four people involved, God only knows how much bigger- They're taking it to the grave. Took it to the grave every single person involved with multiple crime units and multiple- Crazy is crazy to me. So it's, like, one of the most notorious cold cases of all time. I did not know that. I mean, you know I love a mob tie situation. I know, so I was like, "This will be fun because not only is it... It's just so up your alley. It's like mafia, blue collar, cold case- You know what? still missing, theories are crazy." You know what it is? It's, But I'm okay with this one. With, sometimes with mafia mob situa- I get confused. There's a lot of people in mobs. So I think that's why- Yeah it's h- I refrain, or, like, I step away, so thank you for making them much easier for me. You would crush a mafia story. Is there one you wanna do that you haven't? No, not in particular. Oh, okay. I'll think of one, though. What's coming up for you? I don't have a free weekend to myself until July 11th. See you then. when I say that though, that's so mean. It's not to myself, it is, they, I have things already planned. We know what you mean. However, they just happen to all come back to back to back to back. Oh, sorry. Oh. Apologies. The sound came from literally the only reason why. I truly don't care. No. Honestly. The sound came from me, like, panicking. It was a... Oh, Colleen, I- No, it's just an ice cube, I promise. I really don't care. Mother was almost done with her tequila anyway, so don't worry. Don't you worry. That marg was so good. I might have one more before you leave. Okay. Do we wanna get one more? Oh, no, I'll have to pee my pants and bail. Okay, fair enough. All right, everybody. Well, I hope you all- It just always- have a w- a... this will come out after Memorial Day, so I hope everyone has a wonderful long weekend. Oh, yeah. The sun does not look like it's gonna come out tomorrow, AKA in Boston, at all, but the weekend after looks amazing. So whatever your plans are, I hope they are fabulous. Yeah. And you find peace. Keep our fallen baddies in your brain Memorial Day. Oh, yeah, Off the Rip to the fallen baddies Just saying all the peeps. It's not for nothing on your day off. I've been told that l- a lot recently. That's the reason why I'm saying that. Well, you guys do a big thing at your job for the veterans, right? Don't you? Yeah. You know what I actually did? If you go to the Seaport, within the next, I don't know, probably week and a half, I went and... Oh my God, you would appreciate this story. I will tell you. So I just completely forgot about this. Okay. So at work they have this, like, well, we do a big gala, it's, like, for fallen heroes. They r- usually raise, like, a million dollars, which, like, sometimes I hate but also love at the same time the idea of, like, this bougie gala and you just invite a bunch of rich people. Like, yes, I'm glad you're inviting the rich people and this pretentious concept, but also you... They will give money, and the money is going to the cause. Yeah, they'll raise a shit ton of money. Yeah. However, I do hate it, and, like, last year's I actually did love because they put a hero at our table. So but he... Like, it's not, like, for show, they're not like, "Look at this. Take pictures with him." It's like we sit- Yeah we talk to him, and then we do... It's like a silent auction situation. Right. Right. So we have another one of those next week. So it's not, like, a token hero person who has to then, like- Yeah. Yeah. It's not, like, for clout. It's not... Right. Right. So basically we have one of those next week, but last week the same guy that runs that establishment, they had, In the Seaport they have, in the common, they have a bunch of grass patches. So we h- we put in flags- Oh, I love it for every single fallen soldier from, like, since, like, ni- I don't know how they came to the group of what the specific ones that they chose. Yeah. Like, since, like, 9/11. Wow. And randomly I was I was filming it because I... It's, like, part of my job too as well. Like, I brought these employees here. We're gonna do this. Right. So I was filming and I bumped somebody, and I was like, "Oh my God, I'm so sorry." And I turn around and this guy has on a Holbrook jacket. Oh my God. And j- I don't... I can tell people where I'm from. Where she's from. Yeah, I'm from Holbrook. No one is ever from Holbrook. It's the smallest town in America. I barely know anybody. I went to private school. So I just, like, started talking. I was like, "Oh my God, hi." And I was like, I've literally never seen anybody with a Holbrook jacket in my whole life. My parents live there still. Whatever. So we're, like, kekeing, we're having a grand old time, and you know me, I'm not really that social, especially sober. Like, in the middle... It's like tw- it's like noontime on a Friday. Like, I'm not in the mood to just, like, chat with everybody. And so he starts talking to me, and he's like, "Oh, me and my wife, da da da da da." And I hadn't really talked to her, I just waved hello. His wife's name is Colleen. Oh, wow. And so we're kicking this whole time, and so then they go to do the flags, and they disappear, and they kind of go where near the guy... The guy on the podium is reading out all the names ev- as they stick the flags, and it's like this moment for like- Mm-hmm it goes on for like an hour. And he st- he reads all the names, and all of a sudden he stops, and he's like, "Where's Colleen?" And obviously I'm like, "What? What?" But he was talking about the woman I spoke to. And as be- The wife before, yeah, but yeah. Before he like stops he's like, "You know, if you hear a name that resonates with you," like, "I, I know it sounds silly, but go home. They're probably on our website. Like read about them- Yeah, Google them. Yeah and think about them." She get... He goes, "Do you want to say his name to Colleen?" And she's like, "Yeah, I do." And she goes up and she's like, "I'm just here for my brother who-" But it's also nationwide, and he... It's a man from Scituate who died like a, a bomb hit his helicopter- in like 2005, and he di- like he just died on instant. And he, she was the only one that spoke, and it was just like so weird that I happened to b- bump booties with her husband, and we were talking. Her name is Colleen, and she talked about her brother- Wow for like fi- like a few minutes. Wow. And she was the only one that spoke about any of them because she happened to be there. Like no one else's was there. And she put his flag in, and then I looked him up later, and I was like, "That was just like really weird." And like so sad. In a good way. Yeah. Yeah, it was so sad. And like, but like also really weird in a way. So I just was thinking about him the other day. But yeah, anyhoo, that gala is next week, so like, you know, you know, a lot of funds will go to the fallen. And the f- it's not even just that- Do you need a date? Unfortunately no. I did. My job now is booking the table, so I no longer- You get a plus one it's my job to fill the table. Mm. So. Too bad. Yeah. So sad. We'll circle back. You know what I might need a date for? TBD. Drake May has a, a new foundation which w- didn't know, it's brand new. Like they're just 501[3]. Drake and, and Michael May together. It's called Mayday. Love it. And- I love them so much they have an event at the end of the month. It's a charity softball game, but it's in Worcester. So I, I don't need a date to this, but this is the pr- the what I need a date to preface is the night before. So they're doing like charity softball game that raises money for like whatever the fuck. To be honest, I don't know. It's brand new. And they have like Dave Portnoy's going, Matt Rife, like I, so many random people, and they're like doing a, and a bunch of the Patriots obviously, and they're doing like a charity softball game. Not the point. The night before they have a VIP reception at Encore, and it's like you just meet them and have cocktails, which is like wicked cool. And there's only like six tickets, but I haven't, I have one, but I just like, I a- obviously asked John. Like come on, I have to- You have to ask Mans. I have to ask Mans. So I, he hasn't answered me yet, but I'll let you know. TBD. Yeah, but it's also on a Saturday night. Like I need peace, but also like kind of cool, so I'll go. So fun, Colleen. Normally it's like random companies or like random people. Oh my God, cut, I'll just- I'll assess it later. I just like needed to babble for a second. I would beat my face to the gods for that event. My makeup would- No, not, not for Drake look true- For Anne Michael. Oh, it has nothing to do with Drake. It, for his wholesome, gorgeous wife. Stunning. She is like Suzy Homemaker I was just gonna say, do you think we could swap recipes? Oh my God, maybe we should ask her for her, her bread recipe. I, no notes, I will. Okay, great. Well, everyone maybe just have a moment of silence- Let's have a bell and think about, think about the people. Have a beverage. Have a bev. Have a cheers. Pour one out, toss one back. Throw her back. For all the men and women and people who have fought for this country, we hope you have a wonderful long weekend. For all the baddies. For all the baddies. And it's about to be summer, gang. Buckle the fuck up. Get ready to defrost. It's hot girl summer. We're defrosting. I had a beach day the other day. Saw. Can I just say this for a really quick second? I went to Nahant. I was like, "You know what? It's Sunday." Nahant's bad, huh? "It's gonna be 84. I, I just wanna go and lay," and I brought the new Dan Brown book, and I laid on that beach. Parking was for free 'cause it's not the summer yet. I got there at 8:45. I had the best parking. I went to Tides for lunch, and I got a Caesar salad. And I ha- I was there till 3:00 PM. I was there all day long. I had the best time, and I was like, "I just love this time of year so much." Before the, the, the grem- The rush before the gremlins come. And like, I, 8:45 is in the summer is late. You cannot get a parking space in Nahant after that. Yeah, no. There's, like, four beaches you can go to in Massachusetts on where, near where I live, and they fill up immediately because everybody has children and everyone's trying to do something with their children. That's correct. And it's still school, so no one was there. It was fucking glorious. I'm so happy to hear that. Best beach day ever. So go defrost. Go get some UV. we love you So much. Love you, mean it. Godspeed. Love ya. Mean it. Mean it. Bye. Goodbye, boy. Goodbye. Goodbye.

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